Re: [WSG] Accessible, complex forms
Greg and Steve, I had the idea of doing something like the following: !-- Begin Code -- Balance is within $span style=position:relative;height:1%;padding-right:3em;margin:0;padding-left:0;/spancredit limitlabel for=balance style=position:absolute;text-indent:-999emBalance is within $/labelinput id=balance style=width:3em;position:relative;left:-8.25em;margin-right:-3em name=balance type=text /More text here !-- End Code -- Excuse the inline styling... And make sure that goes in a strict xhtml 1.0 document! or else you will go into quirks under IE. What that basically does is this: - Create the text which the input is to appear within. - Where you want the input, insert a 'spacer' (in this case, a span tag) that spaces out the text the same width that the input is - Create a label that is visible only to screen readers. This label should 'read right' i.e as if it is a label to an actual box - Create your input - Move the input back so that appears to be inside the gap made by the 'spacer' - remove the space (with negative-right margin = to width of input) Pros: -Visually, it kind of gives you what you want. Using em values means that increases of font sizes will still give the same result too. Cons: -We now have some extra text before/after the label/input pair, and it makes even less sense when being read back by a screen reader (or I would assume) - Because the em calculations are consistant over all browsers and font-sizes, sometimes the field overlaps the text. - BIG PITA: You will have to calculate a lot padding and negative margin values per input field Unknown: - How would this deal with big sentences going over multiple lines? - What if text appeared in a fluid layout and the wrap occurred before the input? Frankly, I think you would be better off ditching the label all together and hoping for the best with the text description mixed with inputs. Thanks for the exercise though, was fun! Karl On 5/15/07, Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This kind of design always causes problems during user testing because a screen reader user does not know what comes after form controls when they occur in the middle of a line. In fact they don't even know it's in the middle of a line. You are asking them to read the whole sentence then go back to the middle to enter data in the form. Screen reader users' ability to deal with unusual constructions like this depends on their experience to a far greater extent than fully able users. We find that they may be able to hear all the content but just can't understand what they are supposed to do with it. If this form control is on its own then they will probably cope but if there are lots more like it then it becomes increasingly likely they won't. Blind people don't always 'visualise' things the way you might expect, particularly if they have been blind from birth. Invisible labels are fine, but if you really want it to be more accessible, put the form controls at the end of the sentences. Steve www.testpartners.co.uk www.accessibility.co.uk From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sent: 14 May 2007 21:23 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Accessible, complex forms I have a dilemma that I hope someone can advise me on. A client wants a fairly complex form that will have input fields in the middle of a line of text (think adlibs), and then a select box at the end of the line. For example: [th] Alert ... [th] Status or delivery choice [td] Balance is within $_ of my credit limit[td] select box [email/sms/both] I hope that example made sense. The problem we are facing is with screen readers, and our approach so far has been to create invisible labels with css. Is there a more accessible way to make this type of form more accessible? Thanks in advance, Greg http://www.wolkinsphotography.com http://www.catscape.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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RE: [WSG] IE6 problem - more general
Hi Susie,
I am not an expert by any means. I joined this group to learn from others
and get some tips. I try to tackle other people's problems because it s a
great way to learn and hopefully I can help someone out in the process. I
have read a number of books on CSS (and other web related topics) and found
the best explanation of the CSS model for me was in CSS Mastery Advanced
Web Standards Solutions by Andy Budd.
A couple of techniques I use when debugging:
1) put a border around the problem area and surrounding or enclosing blocks
using border: solid red 1px;
2) remove HTML and/or CSS chunks to try to isolate the problem. Sometimes by
removing some HTML the problem goes away then that tells me where the issue
lies.
Hope that helps.
Regards,
Kepler
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Behalf Of Susie Gardner-Brown
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:07 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] IE6 problem - more general
Hi there Kepler
Thank you!
I believe it's OK now.
I would really like to ask you how you know all this - how you keep it in
your head?!! Do you have pages and pages of stuff like this written down, or
what?!!!
For example: about making nav buttons clickable in IE7: why does the
container div need to be 'position: relative for IE7? And what if there
wasn't a container div? Would that make it not work at all?!
I really need to get a handle on how to keep all these things 'known' to me!
I've got a quite good book - The CSS Anthology, by Rachel Andrews. But it's
pre-IE7 ...
Any thoughts, suggestions would be great!
Thanks again ... :)
- susie
On 15/5/07 6:37 AM, Kepler Gelotte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Susan,
To make the navigation buttons clickable in IE7 you need to define the
container as position: relative:
#container {
position: relative;
}
Also the pseudo links should be defined for :link and :visited if you define
It for :hover. Try using these for the navigation definitions:
#leftNav a:link, #leftNav a:visited { /* instead of #leftNav a */
#level2nav a:link, #level2nav a:visited {/* instead of #level2nav li
a */
Regards,
Kepler
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Re: [WSG] IE6 problem - more general
There is also an abundance of information left from those who initially
discovered and tried to squash the IE family rendering bugs. Any google
search for IE6 box model bugs or anything of the like will return a
complete education's worth of material.
In the long run its all experiencing each bug and understanding what
caused it and knowing that ahead of time, next time you begin marking up
a layout.
When I first started doing layouts with CSS, I thought IE had it right
and the other browsers were wrong!
Slowly I learned through trial and error, and for a time even did
hybrid layouts using minimal tables as I got a stronger grasp of the
issues I was facing.
The most important things you can do as you create layouts are to:
* Make sure you're using strict document types and validate your
code before anything else
* Test everything in browsers that work first
* Set up separate stylesheets for IE so you don't have to use hacks
Those points make life much easier in the battle against IE's rendering
issues.
*Joseph R. B. Taylor*
Sites by Joe, LLC
/Custom Web Design Development/
Phone: (609) 335-3076
www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com
Kepler Gelotte wrote:
Hi Susie,
I am not an expert by any means. I joined this group to learn from
others and get some tips. I try to tackle other people’s problems
because it s a great way to learn and hopefully I can help someone out
in the process. I have read a number of books on CSS (and other web
related topics) and found the best explanation of the CSS model for me
was in “CSS Mastery Advanced Web Standards Solutions” by Andy Budd.
A couple of techniques I use when debugging:
1) put a border around the problem area and surrounding or enclosing
blocks using “border: solid red 1px;”
2) remove HTML and/or CSS chunks to try to isolate the problem.
Sometimes by removing some HTML the problem goes away then that tells
me where the issue lies.
Hope that helps.
Regards,
Kepler
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Susie Gardner-Brown
*Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2007 7:07 PM
*To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
*Subject:* Re: [WSG] IE6 problem - more general
Hi there Kepler
Thank you!
I believe it’s OK now.
I would really like to ask you how you know all this – how you keep it
in your head?!! Do you have pages and pages of stuff like this written
down, or what?!!!
For example: about making nav buttons clickable in IE7: why does the
container div need to be ‘position: relative” for IE7? And what if
there wasn’t a container div? Would that make it not work at all?!
I really need to get a handle on how to keep all these things ‘known’
to me! I’ve got a quite good book – The CSS Anthology, by Rachel
Andrews. But it’s pre-IE7 ...
Any thoughts, suggestions would be great!
Thanks again ... :)
- susie
On 15/5/07 6:37 AM, Kepler Gelotte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Susan,
To make the navigation buttons clickable in IE7 you need to define the
container as position: relative:
#container {
position: relative;
}
Also the pseudo links should be defined for :link and :visited if you
define It for :hover. Try using these for the navigation definitions:
#leftNav a:link, #leftNav a:visited { /* instead of #leftNav a */
#level2nav a:link, #level2nav a:visited { /* instead of #level2nav li a */
Regards,
Kepler
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RE: [WSG] Accessible, complex forms
Thanks Steve, and all, for the many helpful replies.
A better example of the form I am working with is here:
http://catscape.com/forms/alert.html
Very madlib style, but hopefully we can convince the client that it is not in their best interest to ignore screen readers. We did make a bit of progress though, with invisible labels. I found that this method works well - can't remember exactly where I found it, but it's on the internets:
.noScreen {
position:absolute;
left:0px;
top:-500px;
width:1px;
height:1px;
overflow:hidden;
}
Wolkins Photography
Catscape Tees
On Mon May 14 23:05 , 'Steve Green' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:
This kind of design always causes problems during user testing because a screen reader user does not know what comes after form controls when they occur in the middle of a line. In fact they don't even know it's in the middle of a line.You are asking them to read the whole sentence then go back to the middle to enter data in the form. Screen reader users' ability to deal with unusual constructions like this depends on their experience to a far greater extent than fully able users. We find that they may be able to hear all the content but just can't understand what they are supposed to do with it. If this form control is on its own then they will probably cope but if there are lots more like it then it becomes increasingly likely they won't. Blind people don't always 'visualise' things the way you might expect, particularly if they have been blind from birth.Invisible labels are fine, but if you really want it to be more accessible, put the form controls at the end of the sentences.Stevewww.testpartners.co.ukwww.accessibility.co.uk
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg
Sent: 14 May 2007 21:23
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Accessible, complex forms
I have a dilemma that I hope someone can advise me on. A client wants a fairly complex form that will have input fields in the middle of a line of text (think "adlibs"), and then a select box at the end of the line. For example:
[th] Alert ... [th] Status or delivery choice
[td] Balance is within $_ of my credit limit [td] select box [email/sms/both]
I hope that example made sense. The problem we are facing is with screen readers, and our approach so far has been to create invisible labels with css.
Is there a more accessible way to make this type of form more accessible?
Thanks in advance,
Greg
http://www.wolkinsphotography.com
http://www.catscape.com
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RE: [WSG] IE6 problem - more general
On Tue, 15 May 2007 10:36:17 -0400, Kepler Gelotte wrote:
1) put a border around the problem area and surrounding or enclosing blocks
using
border: solid red 1px;
But be aware that a border can alter the layout. (By trapping margins
that normally escape for example.)
My preference is to add colored backgrounds to the main blocks.
Viz:
#content {background: #ccf;}
#header {background: #fcf;}
#sidebar {background: #ffc;}
I put these at the end of the main style sheet where I can delete
them easily when done.
Of course, this is just for IE, which I test last. When developing
the layout I find Firebug invaluable. It is the only tool I know that
shows you where the margins are. (Negative margins excepted.)
Cordially,
David
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RE: [WSG] IE6 problem - more general
On Tue, 15 May 2007 10:36:17 -0400, Kepler Gelotte wrote:
1) put a border around the problem area and surrounding or enclosing blocks
using
border: solid red 1px;
But be aware that a border can alter the layout. (By trapping margins
that normally escape for example.)
My preference is to add colored backgrounds to the main blocks.
Viz:
#content {background: #ccf;}
#header {background: #fcf;}
#sidebar {background: #ffc;}
I put these at the end of the main style sheet where I can delete
them easily when done.
Of course, this is just for IE, which I test last. When developing
the layout I find Firebug invaluable. It is the only tool I know that
shows you where the margins are. (Negative margins excepted.)
Cordially,
David
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[WSG] The use of web standards (tables vs CSS)
Gday, Does anyone know of any research done at any time covering the use of web standards? John Allsopp showed some research at Web Essentials in 2005. What I am specifically looking for is the use of CSS for advanced layout versus tables. Anyone know of anything? Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Site check Please - new thread
For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, even though I created a new message from scratch. Anyways; anyone interested in a site check? http://web-strategists.com:888 Thanks in advance... Taco Fleur www.pacificfox.com.au website design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] The use of web standards (tables vs CSS)
The best one I ever saw was a hilarious, cartoon-infested, yet factual case made against the use of tables for layout, but for the life of me I have cannot remember the url. I'm hoping the mentioning of the cartoons will spark some other member's memories since I myself saw it 3-4 years ago. All I remember was the cowboy who was saying something like ...thats the cowboy way... in regards to following the standards. *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Katrina wrote: Gday, Does anyone know of any research done at any time covering the use of web standards? John Allsopp showed some research at Web Essentials in 2005. What I am specifically looking for is the use of CSS for advanced layout versus tables. Anyone know of anything? Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread
Thanks. How large did you size the font to? We've only anticipated 1 size up, as its already a large font. You can't win in every situation ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph R. B. Taylor Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 2:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread Taco, Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix: The yellow bar. As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does not expand with it. The content instead eventually hides as it passes the bottom of the bar. If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it are one image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a top-place background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can expand without breaking said shadow. That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6. Firefox 2 does the same thing FYI: http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Taco Fleur wrote: For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, even though I created a new message from scratch. Anyways; anyone interested in a site check? http://web-strategists.com:888 Thanks in advance... Taco Fleur www.pacificfox.com.au website design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread
May I add that your suggestion would work. However we'd have to deal with other issues like the new white space (bottom of yellow to white gradient) that would appear from the font-increase etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph R. B. Taylor Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 2:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread Taco, Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix: The yellow bar. As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does not expand with it. The content instead eventually hides as it passes the bottom of the bar. If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it are one image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a top-place background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can expand without breaking said shadow. That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6. Firefox 2 does the same thing FYI: http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Taco Fleur wrote: For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, even though I created a new message from scratch. Anyways; anyone interested in a site check? http://web-strategists.com:888 Thanks in advance... Taco Fleur www.pacificfox.com.au website design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread
[I have a minimum font size set to prevent eyestrain.] On 2007/05/16 12:51 (GMT+1000) Taco Fleur apparently typed: Anyways; anyone interested in a site check? http://web-strategists.com:888 I like it a lot above the yellow, but I don't like 3.5 word line lengths at all. An unset background color and links half hiding behind other things are unimpressive as well. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/tacofl2.jpg -- The path of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, shining ever brighter till the full light of day. Proverbs 4:18 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] The use of web standards (tables vs CSS)
Yes! Good Stuff. It was this page that opened my eyes to CSS forevermore. http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/ *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com John Faulds wrote: I think you're talking about this one: http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/ On Wed, 16 May 2007 13:59:38 +1000, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best one I ever saw was a hilarious, cartoon-infested, yet factual case made against the use of tables for layout, but for the life of me I have cannot remember the url. I'm hoping the mentioning of the cartoons will spark some other member's memories since I myself saw it 3-4 years ago. All I remember was the cowboy who was saying something like ...thats the cowboy way... in regards to following the standards. *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Katrina wrote: Gday, Does anyone know of any research done at any time covering the use of web standards? John Allsopp showed some research at Web Essentials in 2005. What I am specifically looking for is the use of CSS for advanced layout versus tables. Anyone know of anything? Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** --Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** --No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 5/15/2007 10:47 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread
Taco, Don't worry, I'm not one of these nuts who blows up the text to 1200% or anything. I make my largest benchmark the largest setting on IE which is the about the equivalent to 2 sizes up on Firefox. No, its not the end of the world by any means, but you know what happens when you ask for a site check around here. *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Taco Fleur wrote: Thanks. How large did you size the font to? We've only anticipated 1 size up, as its already a large font. You can't win in every situation ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph R. B. Taylor Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 2:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread Taco, Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix: The yellow bar. As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does not expand with it. The content instead eventually hides as it passes the bottom of the bar. If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it are one image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a top-place background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can expand without breaking said shadow. That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6. Firefox 2 does the same thing FYI: http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Taco Fleur wrote: For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, even though I created a new message from scratch. Anyways; anyone interested in a site check? http://web-strategists.com:888 Thanks in advance... Taco Fleur www.pacificfox.com.au website design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread
No, its perfectly fine, its exactly what I was asking for. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph R. B. Taylor Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 3:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread Taco, Don't worry, I'm not one of these nuts who blows up the text to 1200% or anything. I make my largest benchmark the largest setting on IE which is the about the equivalent to 2 sizes up on Firefox. No, its not the end of the world by any means, but you know what happens when you ask for a site check around here. *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Taco Fleur wrote: Thanks. How large did you size the font to? We've only anticipated 1 size up, as its already a large font. You can't win in every situation ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph R. B. Taylor Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 2:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread Taco, Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix: The yellow bar. As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does not expand with it. The content instead eventually hides as it passes the bottom of the bar. If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it are one image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a top-place background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can expand without breaking said shadow. That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6. Firefox 2 does the same thing FYI: http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Taco Fleur wrote: For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, even though I created a new message from scratch. Anyways; anyone interested in a site check? http://web-strategists.com:888 Thanks in advance... Taco Fleur www.pacificfox.com.au website design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
