Re: [WSG] Fieldset background

[David Laakso]

Dean Matthews wrote:
IE6 doesn't appear to render the background correctly in a fieldset 
with a legend (extends beyond top border).


Is there a fix or alternatively how would you hide the 
background-color from IE6 only.


Thanks,

Dean

Georg Sortun, who is on vacation and unable to reply to the list 
directly, asked me to pass this alternative solution to the problem on 
to you:




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Re: [WSG] Fieldset background

[Dean Matthews]

On Jul 7, 2007, at 7:58 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote:


If CSS validation is a concern for you then try:
fieldset {background-color:#ccc !important;background-color:#fff;}


Very elegant!

Thanks Thierry,

Dean




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RE: [WSG] Fieldset background

[Thierry Koblentz]

> On Behalf Of Dean Matthews
> 
> IE6 doesn't appear to render the background correctly in a fieldset
> with a legend (extends beyond top border).
> 
> Is there a fix or alternatively how would you hide the background-
> color from IE6 only.

You can override the background color with the "_" hack:
fieldset {background-color:#ccc;_background-color:#fff;}

Only ie 5/6 should pick up the second rule.

If CSS validation is a concern for you then try:
fieldset {background-color:#ccc !important;background-color:#fff;}

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Re: [WSG] Fieldset background

[Dean Matthews]

On Jul 7, 2007, at 7:25 PM, Micky Hulse wrote:


Hope that helps.


Thanks Micky,

It does. Just what I needed.

Dean




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Re: [WSG] Fieldset background

[Micky Hulse]

Dean Matthews wrote:
IE6 doesn't appear to render the background correctly in a fieldset with 
a legend (extends beyond top border).


Oooh, yah. Fieldsets are tricky to style. I opt to keep things simple 
when it comes to fieldset/legends.


Is there a fix or alternatively how would you hide the background-color 
from IE6 only.


Use Conditional Comments.[1]

Fore example (in head, after main stylesheet call):



"IF IE on PC, and less than IE 7, Use this stylesheet (OR inline styles)"

I personally dropped support for anything less than IE 6 (just feed 
un-styled content), so the above works well for me.


In your case, you would probably want to put some styling in the 
conditional stylesheet that overrides your real style... maybe:


fieldset { background-color: transparent; }

...or give same background color as your container.

[1] 

Hope that helps. I am no guru, so I could have missed something.

Cheers,
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Re: [WSG] Re: Microformats was [ Is this a good use of dl ]

[Micky Hulse]

Hey all,

I picked-up this book off of Amazon a few weeks back... it does a great 
job of explaining MF's... For those wanting to learn more, I suggest 
thumbing through it at your local bookstore:


Microformats: Empowering Your Markup for Web 2.0 (Paperback)


Great discussion. :)

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[WSG] Fieldset background

[Dean Matthews]

IE6 doesn't appear to render the background correctly in a fieldset  
with a legend (extends beyond top border).


Is there a fix or alternatively how would you hide the background- 
color from IE6 only.


Thanks,

Dean




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Re: [WSG] Re: Microformats was [ Is this a good use of dl ]

[Lea de Groot]

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:57:27 +0100, Designer wrote:
> Perhaps I'm being dumb here, but I've looked at Microformats 
> (briefly) and I can't see the advantage over what any decent webby 
> would knock up on his own.  The hcard example makes every line a div 
> and just seems, frankly, daft.

Here's an example of where I have used hcard mf in a dl based structure:


NAME:
University Early Learning Centre

ADDRESS:
University Of Melbourne, 
Faculty of Education40 Clarke StAbbotsford VIC 
3067

PHONE:
(03) 9419 


It was a bit hacked up and quickly done at the time, so I would pick 
holes in it now (note to self - review time), but hopefully you can see 
how to use hcard microformats in a dl-structure for addresses :)

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RE: [WSG] Re: Microformats was [ Is this a good use of dl ]

[Thierry Koblentz]

> On Behalf Of Designer

> Perhaps I'm being dumb here, but I've looked at Microformats (briefly)
> and I can't see the advantage over what any decent webby would knock up
> on his own.  The hcard example makes every line a div and just seems,
> frankly, daft.
> 
> So what's it all about?


"Web designers and authors are using semantic XHTML everyday without using
microformats, and that's perfectly fine. They are not trying to create
standards and interoperably/automatically exchange data with each other.
They are simply expressing the semantics of their documents.
Whereas microformats follow a specific process and are intended to provide a
way for publishers worldwide to easily interoperably exchange simple bits of
data."

From: http://microformats.org/wiki/semantic-xhtml-design-principles

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Re: [WSG] Re: Microformats was [ Is this a good use of dl ]

[Rob Crowther]

Designer wrote:
The hcard example makes every line a div and just seems, 
frankly, daft.


But you don't have to use divs, (nearly) any element will do, the key is 
mostly the class names.  Maybe having a look at some of the 'examples in 
the wild' will be more instructive:


http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild


So what's it all about?


I suggest you have a look at the Operator extension:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4106

(And by 'have a look' I mean install it in Firefox and visit a few 
websites linked to from the microformats site ;) )


Rob


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RE: [WSG] Re: Microformats was [ Is this a good use of dl ]

[Kepler Gelotte]

> Perhaps I'm being dumb here, but I've looked at Microformats (briefly) 
> and I can't see the advantage over what any decent webby would knock up 
> on his own.  The hcard example makes every line a div and just seems, 
> frankly, daft.

> So what's it all about?

What microformats do is create a common syntax for representing information.
This allows software which reads your HTML (Google spiders, Firefox plugins,
etc.) to know for certain what is the contact information on the page. If
every designer created their own syntax, you couldn't build a Firefox plugin
to make a clickable "add to contacts" type of plugin for example.

Microformats are a step in the direction of the semantic web.

Regards,
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Re: [WSG] Re: Microformats was [ Is this a good use of dl ]

[Chris Price]

Diego La Monica wrote:
Hi, I'm new about WSG Mailing List, but i'm thinking that this 
conversation is really interesting.


What about  element?


To quote W3C

The ADDRESS element specifies such information as address, signature and 
authorship for the current document, and typically placed at the top or 
bottom of the document.


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Re: [WSG] Re: Microformats was [ Is this a good use of dl ]

[Diego La Monica]

Hi, I'm new about WSG Mailing List, but i'm thinking that this conversation
is really interesting.

What about  element?

D.

On 07/07/07, Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thierry Koblentz wrote:


> [big snip]

> If you're willing to go with that many elements, why not using
microformats?
> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com

Perhaps I'm being dumb here, but I've looked at Microformats (briefly)
and I can't see the advantage over what any decent webby would knock up
on his own.  The hcard example makes every line a div and just seems,
frankly, daft.

So what's it all about?

HELP!

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[WSG] Re: Microformats was [ Is this a good use of dl ]

[Designer]

Thierry Koblentz wrote:



[big snip]



If you're willing to go with that many elements, why not using microformats?
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard

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Perhaps I'm being dumb here, but I've looked at Microformats (briefly) 
and I can't see the advantage over what any decent webby would knock up 
on his own.  The hcard example makes every line a div and just seems, 
frankly, daft.


So what's it all about?

HELP!

:-)

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RE: [WSG] Is this a good use of dl

[Thierry Koblentz]

> On Behalf Of Chris Price
> On the W3C website they give a first example of a definition list with
> terms (dt) and definitions (dd) but then give another example where dt
> is a speaker and dd is the speech so they concede that it is legitimate
> where the logic is similar.
> 
> But does the following make sense and is it accessible?
> 
> It does validate.
> 
> Contacts
> 
> John Smith
> 
> 
> Address:
> 
> 13 My Road
> MyTown
> MyCounty AB1 2CD
> 
> 
> 
> Phone/fax:
> 01234 567 890
> 
> Mobile:
> 07890 123456
> 
> Email:
>  href="[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> skype:
>  my skype
> 
> 
> 

If you're willing to go with that many elements, why not using microformats?
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard

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Re: [WSG] Is this a good use of dl

[Chris Price]

Web Standards wrote:

Hey Cris,

Well, I don't know man... but I think the list inside the list is just 
unnecessary. 
My reasoning for that is that everything is a description of the person 
but the street and city are descriptions of the address.


If I have the name as a term and then address as a description, the 
address elements then become descriptions of a description.


An alternative would have been to have Contact as a term and John Smith 
as a description then Address, Email etc. would be at the same level and 
there would be no sublist. That would be logical but not give me what I 
want.


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Re: [WSG] Is this a good use of dl

[Web Standards]

Hey Cris,

Well, I don't know man... but I think the list inside the list is just 
unnecessary. You could put the name inside "dt" and  general description 
in "dd". You could use   or anything or else too... If I am not 
wrong, W3C says you can do that.


Well, that's just my opinion, let's see what the other members have to 
say about it.


See You,

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[WSG] Is this a good use of dl

[Chris Price]

On the W3C website they give a first example of a definition list with 
terms (dt) and definitions (dd) but then give another example where dt 
is a speaker and dd is the speech so they concede that it is legitimate 
where the logic is similar.


But does the following make sense and is it accessible?

It does validate.

Contacts
   
   John Smith
   
   
   Address:
   
   13 My Road
   MyTown
   MyCounty AB1 2CD
   
   
  
   Phone/fax:

   01234 567 890
  
   Mobile:

   07890 123456
  
   Email:

   [EMAIL 
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   skype:

my skype
   
   
   

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