[WSG] H1 font not set in IE
Hi, We are making some changes to an existing site for a client - basically converting to CSS as far as possible. I'd appreciate it if someone could take a look at this page: http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond for the menus but not the h1. I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious? Thanks, Nick PS - image replacement will be made more -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
On 17 Jul 2007, at 8:40 PM, Nick Roper wrote: http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond for the menus but not the h1. I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious? Umm... possibly that a font won't render if it's not present on the machine? I see Verdana for both H1 and the LH menu, because I don't have Garamond in my default set of fonts; I'd have to activate it with Suitcase if I want it. It would be a good idea to specify a family of fonts in your css, instead of just the one - that way you're supplying a fallback style for those that don't have Garamond. Choose fonts that are present on most OSs for best results. Maybe Palatino, or Georgia? See http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html for a handy list of common fonts for both 'doze and Mac. HTH N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
Hi Tony, But the weird thing is that it renders OK for the menus, which also specify italic. Nick Tony Crockford wrote: On 17 Jul 2007, at 11:40, Nick Roper wrote: I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious? assuming windows actually has the font installed, you are also specifying italic - maybe windows doesn't have an italic version? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
Hi Nick, Thanks for that. The weird thing is though that Garamond does render for the menus. So, on the same machine/browser, the menus render in Garamond - so the font is there OK - but the headers don't. Nick Nick Gleitzman wrote: On 17 Jul 2007, at 8:40 PM, Nick Roper wrote: http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond for the menus but not the h1. I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious? Umm... possibly that a font won't render if it's not present on the machine? I see Verdana for both H1 and the LH menu, because I don't have Garamond in my default set of fonts; I'd have to activate it with Suitcase if I want it. It would be a good idea to specify a family of fonts in your css, instead of just the one - that way you're supplying a fallback style for those that don't have Garamond. Choose fonts that are present on most OSs for best results. Maybe Palatino, or Georgia? See http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html for a handy list of common fonts for both 'doze and Mac. HTH N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
Im using FireFox on a Mac and it works fine. :P On 7/17/07, Nick Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nick, Thanks for that. The weird thing is though that Garamond does render for the menus. So, on the same machine/browser, the menus render in Garamond - so the font is there OK - but the headers don't. Nick Nick Gleitzman wrote: On 17 Jul 2007, at 8:40 PM, Nick Roper wrote: http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond for the menus but not the h1. I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious? Umm... possibly that a font won't render if it's not present on the machine? I see Verdana for both H1 and the LH menu, because I don't have Garamond in my default set of fonts; I'd have to activate it with Suitcase if I want it. It would be a good idea to specify a family of fonts in your css, instead of just the one - that way you're supplying a fallback style for those that don't have Garamond. Choose fonts that are present on most OSs for best results. Maybe Palatino, or Georgia? See http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html for a handy list of common fonts for both 'doze and Mac. HTH N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
Hi James, Yup, as I say, it works fine for both headers and menus on FF/MAc, but only for the menus on FF/Win. What I'm trying to figure out is why the menus render in Garamamond but the headings don't on FF/Win Nick James Jeffery wrote: Im using FireFox on a Mac and it works fine. :P On 7/17/07, *Nick Roper* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nick, Thanks for that. The weird thing is though that Garamond does render for the menus. So, on the same machine/browser, the menus render in Garamond - so the font is there OK - but the headers don't. Nick Nick Gleitzman wrote: On 17 Jul 2007, at 8:40 PM, Nick Roper wrote: http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond for the menus but not the h1. I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious? Umm... possibly that a font won't render if it's not present on the machine? I see Verdana for both H1 and the LH menu, because I don't have Garamond in my default set of fonts; I'd have to activate it with Suitcase if I want it. It would be a good idea to specify a family of fonts in your css, instead of just the one - that way you're supplying a fallback style for those that don't have Garamond. Choose fonts that are present on most OSs for best results. Maybe Palatino, or Georgia? See http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html for a handy list of common fonts for both 'doze and Mac. HTH N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk http://www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
Nick Roper wrote: Hi, We are making some changes to an existing site for a client - basically converting to CSS as far as possible. I'd appreciate it if someone could take a look at this page: http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond for the menus but not the h1. I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious? Thanks, Nick PS - image replacement will be made more I'm seeing Garamond (bold/italic) in IE6. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:25:00 +0100, Nick Roper wrote: Hi James, Yup, as I say, it works fine for both headers and menus on FF/MAc, but only for the menus on FF/Win. What I'm trying to figure out is why the menus render in Garamamond but the headings don't on FF/Win Interesting. I'm on a pretty basic Win XP Pro setup. Opera shows both the menu and headings in Garamond; Firefox 2 shows Times, I think, for *both* here, as does IE. Hmm. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:25:00 +0100, Nick Roper wrote: Hi James, Yup, as I say, it works fine for both headers and menus on FF/MAc, but only for the menus on FF/Win. What I'm trying to figure out is why the menus render in Garamamond but the headings don't on FF/Win Interesting. I'm on a pretty basic Win XP Pro setup. Opera shows both the menu and headings in Garamond; Firefox 2 shows Times, I think, for *both* here, as does IE. Hmm. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:25:00 +0100, Nick Roper wrote: Hi James, Yup, as I say, it works fine for both headers and menus on FF/MAc, but only for the menus on FF/Win. What I'm trying to figure out is why the menus render in Garamamond but the headings don't on FF/Win Correction to my previous post. Garamond is not installed on my computer. I don't know what Opera substitutes, but it is certainly not the default Times New Roman defined in my preferences. Sorry for the noise. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:25:00 +0100, Nick Roper wrote: Hi James, Yup, as I say, it works fine for both headers and menus on FF/MAc, but only for the menus on FF/Win. What I'm trying to figure out is why the menus render in Garamamond but the headings don't on FF/Win Correction to my previous post. Garamond is not installed on my computer. I don't know what Opera substitutes, but it is certainly not the default Times New Roman defined in my preferences. Sorry for the noise. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
Hello Nick, I'm using FF 2.0.0.4 in Windows 2000 and I see Garamond bold italic for the h1, even after I smudge out the inline style with the Web Developer toolbar--so your style sheet is working, at least for me. Menus are also displayed in Garamond, but normal weight, italic (too light for my tastes--lots of aliasing, but it is as you call for it). I think it's an issue of what FF must be looking for in your installed fonts list. Here's the relevant portion of my fonts folder: http://www.bermanweb.com/files/garamonding.jpg Alan At 03:40 AM 7/17/2007, you wrote: Hi, We are making some changes to an existing site for a client - basically converting to CSS as far as possible. I'd appreciate it if someone could take a look at this page: http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond for the menus but not the h1. I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious? Thanks, Nick PS - image replacement will be made more -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** __ NOD32 2401 (20070716) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:40:00 +0100, Nick Roper wrote: http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond for the menus but not the h1. Could it be a caching issue? If you view the style sheet directly in the browser, does the H1 have the correct style? If not, hard-refresh it and look again :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Javascript image rotator
I guess I thought the original poster wanted something more for a simple banner vs an actual gallery script. You're right. I didn't go back far enough in the thread. Sorry. You are all right, thanks for your replies everyone. Sorry, I've been away from the machine for a few days, but I did get it sorted before I left. Thanks again. Paul On 13/07/07, Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Micky Hulse [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess I thought the original poster wanted something more for a simple banner vs an actual gallery script. You're right. I didn't go back far enough in the thread. Sorry. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
Nick The odd results you are getting is because you are wrapping the fonts in double quotes ie garamond. You do not need to wrap font names in quotes unless the have a space in them and them you should use single quotes ie 'apple garamond' Nick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
On 7/18/07, Nick Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You do not need to wrap font names in quotes unless the have a space in them and them you should use single quotes ie 'apple garamond' No, either doubles or singles are correct. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1#font-family -- Raena Jackson Armitage www.raena.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
Raena wrote: No, either doubles or singles are correct. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1#font-family Double quotes might be correct in the specs and for all browsers that follow the specs including surprisingly IE6. Except for FF on windows, it does not want to play by the rules it needs single quotes not double quotes, I found this out the hard way last week. Nick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***