Re: RE : Re: [WSG] Height for the select markup in Internet Explorer

2007-08-27 Thread Stuart Foulstone
If changing the font size for the select tag (to alter the size of the
select box to what you want) doesn't work for you, I'm a little unclear
about what you are trying to acheive here.

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On Sun, August 26, 2007 2:56 pm, Pierre-Henri Lavigne wrote:

 Yes exacly,  I'm trying to avoid a higher select size
 while the option value are in upper case letters.
 While googling again, doesn't seem possible as Dusan
 told. Like similar issues with Mac OS browsers. Anyway
 I may try with line-height


 --- Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] a
 écrit :

 Do you mean something like:


 .selectlist  {
  color: #00;
  font: 1.1em bold Verdana, Arial, Helvetica,
 sans-serif;
  background-color: #cc;
 }

 with,

 select name=options class=selectlist   ...

 where changing the font-height also changes the
 height of the select menu
 dropdown box?


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 http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk
 BigEasy Web Design
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 Rockingham Street
 Sheffield
 S1 4EB

 Tel. 07751 413451

 On Sat, August 25, 2007 11:49 pm, Pierre-Henri
 Lavigne wrote:
 
  Good day,
 
  Does someone know a solution or a tip to set a
 height for the select tag
  in form, especially with Internet Explorer ? I've
 just got the case with a
  design that set an input and a select in the same
 line, and the select has
  every option in upper case letters.
 
  Thanks for your feedack,
 
  Regards,
 
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Re: [WSG] Web Developer toolbar for firefox 2.x

2007-08-27 Thread Rob Crowther

Hayden's Harness Attachment wrote:
I do not know if this is off topic. If it is please excuse me. I have 
the web developer toolbar that works with Firefox upto 1.5 and when I 
try to upgrade for my Firefox 2.x, I get an error.


What error are you getting?  Web Developer Toolbar works just fine for 
me in Firefox 2.x.


Is their a web 
developer toolbar for Fire fox 2.x? If so, where can I download it? 


The extension can be downloaded from the Mozilla add-ons website:

https://addons.update.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60

The developer's website is at:

http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/

But you will need to add the site the 'exceptions' for being allowed to 
install software.


Rob


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Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-27 Thread Michael MD

Patrick, reports based on server log files are considerably limiting.
For example, visitors are generally identified by IP and Session ID.
This doesn't tell me if the person is a repeat customer, or how often
they frequent the website, and also provides more accurate filtering of
non-human user agents (as UAs don't tend to render the HTML or executive
the JS).


yes ... but you also won't see any browsers that don't have javascript (such
as most mobile phone browsers) so if you want to see EVERY browser that
people might use to look at your site you will still need to get that
information from the server logs. 





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Re: [WSG] Web Developer toolbar for firefox 2.x

2007-08-27 Thread Patrick H. Lauke

Rob Crowther wrote:

Hayden's Harness Attachment wrote:
I do not know if this is off topic. If it is please excuse me. I have 
the web developer toolbar that works with Firefox upto 1.5 and when I 
try to upgrade for my Firefox 2.x, I get an error.


In some circumstances, an upgrade from 1.5 to 2.x can fall foul of some 
profile issues. If all else fails, I'd recommend backing up your 
bookmarks, making a note of the extensions you've got installed, 
completely uninstalling 1.5 (and the related profile directory), and 
starting with a completely fresh 2.x install. A pain, I know...


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[WSG] will Eric Meyer�s CSS SCULPTOR put me out of job?

2007-08-27 Thread Tee G. Peng

Please don't be misguided by the subject :)

http://www.webassist.com/professional/products/productdetails.asp? 
PID=135RID=930


I am just curious, what you do guys think of the dreamweaver  
extension like this one and the PVll CSS layout Magic, and the Google  
Blueprint ?
Can they take over the carefully crafted CSS and structural markup  
you deliver to your clients? There first one even take care of IE  
browsers.


I notice fewer people ask me to do CSS and XHTML templates lately :)

tee





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Re: [WSG] will Eric Meyer�s C SS SCULPTOR put me out of job?

2007-08-27 Thread Christian Montoya
If your job is making plain looking, cookie cutter templates, then
yes, tools like these will put you out of a job. I see CSS as a box of
watercolors; you can do really simple things with it, and you can do
really complex things too. I doubt there will ever be software that
can replicate the kinds of complex things I do with CSS, and that's
why I'm not afraid of being replaced.

And by the way, Blueprint is not a Google project, it's a project by
Olav Bjorkoy that just so happens to be hosted on Google Code. And
it's a CSS framework, which means that it can make your job easier
(and help you make more money). It won't replace anything.

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Re: [WSG] will Eric Meyer�s C SS SCULPTOR put me out of job?

2007-08-27 Thread Frederick Matzen
My opinion is that are tools to help speed up things that take a lot of time
by hand. Like using Dreamweaver instead of Notepad to write web pages. The
faster we can get our work done, the more competitive our prices can be, the
more work we can take in. I'm all over it!!

On 8/27/07, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Please don't be misguided by the subject :)

 http://www.webassist.com/professional/products/productdetails.asp?
 PID=135RID=930

 I am just curious, what you do guys think of the dreamweaver
 extension like this one and the PVll CSS layout Magic, and the Google
 Blueprint ?
 Can they take over the carefully crafted CSS and structural markup
 you deliver to your clients? There first one even take care of IE
 browsers.

 I notice fewer people ask me to do CSS and XHTML templates lately :)

 tee





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Re: [WSG] will Eric Meyer�s C SS SCULPTOR put me out of job?

2007-08-27 Thread Chris Wilson
That's the same short sighted question asked when WYSIWYG editors were
introduced. If something like this is making you fear for your career, you
really need to reevaluate if you are even in the right feild let alone
career.


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RE: [WSG] will Eric Meyers CSS SCULPTOR put me out of job?

2007-08-27 Thread Paul Minty
Tee,

My understanding is that the tools being rolled out now are intended to
streamline the production of basic layouts. We've used the Yahoo UI
library to do that for a while; simple to be competitive on pricing. I
know the bigger studios spend a lot of time developing pixel-perfect
designs, usually on an elastic layout. We don't often attract the
projects and budgets that would justify that level of quality.

There has been a couple of years where quite basic page layouts have
needed a lot of hours from experienced CSS developers to produce - I
reckon those years are over and advanced CSS skills won't be used as
often in smaller production teams. There will continue to be a place for
highly skilled and experienced front-end developers in the bigger
studios. This is a shift in the economics of website production; so
yeah, have another think about career path.

Remember, these days any designer can create a complex PDF file that can
printed straight away - no need for the old technical skills to do
colour separations and prepare printing plates! Complex and repetitive
work will always be under pressure from engineering solutions.
Fashionable design will always be under pressure from younger and cooler
designers. I'm gonna get shares in Adobe and RMIT!

Cheers
Paul


Paul Minty Director

mintleaf studio 
We design  create stylish websites

Post: Box 6 108 Flinders Street Melbourne VIC 3000
Level 2 108 Flinders Street Melbourne
T. 03 9662 9344   
F. 03 9662 9255   
M. 0418 307 475
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.mintleafstudio.com.au


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Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2007 10:16 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] will Eric Meyers CSS SCULPTOR put me out of job?

Please don't be misguided by the subject :)

http://www.webassist.com/professional/products/productdetails.asp? 
PID=135RID=930

I am just curious, what you do guys think of the dreamweaver extension
like this one and the PVll CSS layout Magic, and the Google Blueprint ?
Can they take over the carefully crafted CSS and structural markup you
deliver to your clients? There first one even take care of IE browsers.

I notice fewer people ask me to do CSS and XHTML templates lately :)

tee





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RE: [WSG] will Eric Meyers C SS SCULPTOR put me out of job?

2007-08-27 Thread Paul Bennett
You could also look at Yahoo's YUI grids  css project which is essentially 
doing the same thing but supported by Yahoo.
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/

I've had good experiences with it...

Paul 


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Re: [WSG] will Eric Meyers C SS SCULPTOR put me out of job?

2007-08-27 Thread E Michael Brandt

Does anyone have many experience with

http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/

?

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RE: [WSG] will Eric Meyers C SS SCULPTOR put me out of job?

2007-08-27 Thread Paul Bennett
Hi,

Apart from a cursory look, no. This looks pretty straightforward.

Advantages with YUI however are that:
- it allows you to nest elements to create 'grids' (think easy cross browser 
css columns within columns)
- it uses one central css file instead of different css files for each layout
- you need only change an id / id's in certain elements to affect changes - not 
load in different stylesheets

Paul (yui fanboi)


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Re: [WSG] will Eric Meyers C SS SCULPTOR put me out of job?

2007-08-27 Thread Spirit Q.9 Gaming
Sry all, a little out of topic title.

To Paul: i have visited your mintleafstudio and see there'r some probs, i
view within both FireFox 2.0 and IE 6.0 in Window but your content column
dropped down (Resolution: 1024x768). I think it needs a little width there.

Cheers,
Spirit.

On 8/28/07, Paul Minty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tee,

 My understanding is that the tools being rolled out now are intended to
 streamline the production of basic layouts. We've used the Yahoo UI
 library to do that for a while; simple to be competitive on pricing. I
 know the bigger studios spend a lot of time developing pixel-perfect
 designs, usually on an elastic layout. We don't often attract the
 projects and budgets that would justify that level of quality.

 There has been a couple of years where quite basic page layouts have
 needed a lot of hours from experienced CSS developers to produce - I
 reckon those years are over and advanced CSS skills won't be used as
 often in smaller production teams. There will continue to be a place for
 highly skilled and experienced front-end developers in the bigger
 studios. This is a shift in the economics of website production; so
 yeah, have another think about career path.

 Remember, these days any designer can create a complex PDF file that can
 printed straight away - no need for the old technical skills to do
 colour separations and prepare printing plates! Complex and repetitive
 work will always be under pressure from engineering solutions.
 Fashionable design will always be under pressure from younger and cooler
 designers. I'm gonna get shares in Adobe and RMIT!

 Cheers
 Paul


 Paul Minty Director

 mintleaf studio
 We design  create stylish websites

 Post: Box 6 108 Flinders Street Melbourne VIC 3000
 Level 2 108 Flinders Street Melbourne
 T. 03 9662 9344
 F. 03 9662 9255
 M. 0418 307 475
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.mintleafstudio.com.au


 -Original Message-
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 On Behalf Of Tee G. Peng
 Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2007 10:16 AM
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: [WSG] will Eric Meyer s CSS SCULPTOR put me out of job?

 Please don't be misguided by the subject :)

 http://www.webassist.com/professional/products/productdetails.asp?
 PID=135RID=930

 I am just curious, what you do guys think of the dreamweaver extension
 like this one and the PVll CSS layout Magic, and the Google Blueprint ?
 Can they take over the carefully crafted CSS and structural markup you
 deliver to your clients? There first one even take care of IE browsers.

 I notice fewer people ask me to do CSS and XHTML templates lately :)

 tee





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Re: [WSG] will Eric Meyer's CSS SCULPTOR put me out o f job?

2007-08-27 Thread Al Sparber

From: Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am just curious, what you do guys think of the dreamweaver  extension 
like this one and the PVll CSS layout Magic, and the Google  Blueprint ?
Can they take over the carefully crafted CSS and structural markup  you 
deliver to your clients? There first one even take care of IE  browsers.


Both products produce standards-based CSS layouts that work in modern 
browsers (ours also addresses IE5.0x, too). I can only speak for our product 
(CSS Layout Magic). It is a rapid deployment (one click) tool that produces 
a minimally styled, structurally sound layout set up with easy-to-edit faux 
column images. The idea is that you get a rock-solid structure on which to 
build and enhance. While Jakob Neilsen might consider it a finished design, 
we don't :-). You have to have a basic understanding of CSS and markup to 
use these tools to their full potential, other wise the pages you produce 
will always look like a rental house with white walls (in this case, a lot 
of yellow). The faux images approach allows quick customization to easily 
turn this:

http://www.projectseven.com/products/templates/pagepacks/cssmagic/cssmagic08.htm

into this:
http://www.projectseven.com/products/templates/pagepacks/cssmagic/tweaks/rounded/fixed/

A little texture, some shadow, and voila, in less than an hour one can have 
a decent home page comp to show a client.



I notice fewer people ask me to do CSS and XHTML templates lately :)


If what you mean above is that you are having web designers hire you to do a 
page structure, then I can see where products like this might have a small 
impact, but neither of the products is targeted at end users.


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