Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
hi, Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music track? I mean the only solution that is a frameset right but i just want some feedback of the dangers of this. -thanks in advance kev *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
I'd use flash. http://www.gothamsounddesign.com/ is a fairly good example of an 'unobtrusive' flash player. On 18/03/2008, at 3:10 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: hi, Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music track? I mean the only solution that is a frameset right but i just want some feedback of the dangers of this. -thanks in advance kev *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** best wishes, John Hancock Identity [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: +61 2 8012 2967 f: +61 2 9799 6135 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
If you can't talk the guy out of it then try and get him to at least allow the USER to start the music. If not that then I would suggest teh next course is a flash player but at half volume and make SURE that the START and STOP button is easy to find. I wouldn't use a frameset for anything. On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:26 AM, John Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd use flash. http://www.gothamsounddesign.com/ is a fairly good example of an 'unobtrusive' flash player. On 18/03/2008, at 3:10 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: hi, Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music track? I mean the only solution that is a frameset right but i just want some feedback of the dangers of this. -thanks in advance kev *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** best wishes, John Hancock *Identity* [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: +61 2 8012 2967 f: +61 2 9799 6135 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Frederick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
On 3/17/08, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music track? i would suggest allowing the user to stop the music if they so choose. not everybody likes the same music or song, so he could lose many visitors because of the continuous track with no way to stop it. on the other hand a visitor could mute the sound. dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
Hi Kev, I would recommend that you do not loop music as this often does not sit well with many types of visitors. If you offer a choice for visitors to turn off the sound as well... Good luck with the site! Nick Nick Stamoulis President Brick Marketing Direct: 781-350-4365 Cell: 781-223-3651 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.BrickMarketing.com Read Daily Updates In My Blog: http://www.SearchEngineOptimizationJournal.com - Original Message - Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction From: John Hancock ;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, March 17, 2008 12:26 I'd use flash. http://www.gothamsounddesign.com/ is a fairly good example of an 'unobtrusive' flash player. On 18/03/2008, at 3:10 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: hi, Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music track? I mean the only solution that is a frameset right but i just want some feedback of the dangers of this. -thanks in advance kev *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** best wishes, John Hancock Identity [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: +61 2 8012 2967 f: +61 2 9799 6135 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:10:31 +, kevin mcmonagle wrote: hi, Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music track? Hi Kev - Because I am on dial-up at home, I get out a lot. :) At the various Wi-Fi hotspots I inhabit, I see many surfing with their headphones on, listening to their own sound track. I can only imagine that, should they come across a site playing something not of their choice over the top of their music, that they would hit the back button PDQ. I know almost nothing about SEO, but knowing a little about how search bots work, I can't imagine them taking notice of a music player. If it were me, I would deliver a normal web page (no frames) and offer the visitor the choice of playing the music, or not. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
I will throw my 2 cents in and say that nothing is more annoying than going to a web site and suddenly being bombarded with loud music you don't want to hear. In face, I got an add-in for Firefox so that I could safely use MySpace without a cacophony of noises playing without my control. Keep in mind -- there is no way to set the volume for a web-based music track. If I have volume up because I am listening to low-gain audio and then a web page plays something at top decibel... there go my ear drums if I'm wearing headphones... Just my 2 cents. -- The generation that took acid to escape reality Is now taking antacid to deal with reality http://dwacon.blogspot.comhttp://dwacon.blogspot.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
hi, i think if i cold sell him on a player that would be user controlled. I will tell him he can put in more tracks by his dj's. Sorry i meant to change the title of the post. thanks a million. -kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED
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[WSG] IE 8 and grey
Quick question. I have not got IE 8 beta 1 myself... Does it understand grey, spelled with an e - as it should be ;-) Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey
Are you talking from a css point of view? I would advocate not using words - what happens if a future browser decides that grey should be #6; where previously it was #3; (just examples). Your design is suddenly not going to look as you intended. My 2c. Adam On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick question. I have not got IE 8 beta 1 myself... Does it understand grey, spelled with an e - as it should be ;-) Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey
Adam Martin wrote: Are you talking from a css point of view? I would advocate not using words - what happens if a future browser decides that grey should be #6; where previously it was #3; (just examples). Your design is suddenly not going to look as you intended. You mean, if a browser maker decides not to support standards?? Who would do such a thing? I can't even imagine it :-) http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#idx-color http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#value-def-color -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey
Because they are defined by w3c what they should map to. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#color-units - Original Message - From: Adam Martin To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey Are you talking from a css point of view? I would advocate not using words - what happens if a future browser decides that grey should be #6; where previously it was #3; (just examples). Your design is suddenly not going to look as you intended. My 2c. Adam On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick question. I have not got IE 8 beta 1 myself... Does it understand grey, spelled with an e - as it should be ;-) Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Spolsky on IE8 flag
Joel Spolsky has published an ... interesting article http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html I wonder if Microsoft considered the approach of IE 7 is the last version of IE. Our new product will be $NEW_PRODUCT_NAME[1]. All old hacks for IE are irrelevent - we're starting afresh, people! Sounds like its worth considering :) After all, when I browse the web with Safari or Firefox I literally never see a broken page, because nothing assumes I am using some version of IE. M2CW :) warmly, Lea [1] I like Internet Avenger for I am a romantic. Who can think of a better name? :) -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey
Keryx Web wrote: Quick question. I have not got IE 8 beta 1 myself... Does it understand grey, spelled with an e - as it should be ;-) Lars Gunther Probably not. grey isn't a css colour. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey
CSS is a US-spec language. If we suddenly start seeing 'colour: #123456;' then I'll be delighted - but I don't think the CSS authors are so interested in global standards ;) On 18/03/2008, at 1:04 PM, Chris Broadfoot wrote: Keryx Web wrote: Quick question. I have not got IE 8 beta 1 myself... Does it understand grey, spelled with an e - as it should be ;-) Lars Gunther Probably not. grey isn't a css colour. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** best wishes, John Hancock Identity [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: +61 2 8012 2967 f: +61 2 9799 6135 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Spolsky on IE8 flag
Lea de Groot wrote: Joel Spolsky has published an ... interesting article http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html I think it's a great article. And one the nails why this has created so much heat. Among many killer quotes, this to end things: You see? No right answer. As usual, the idealists are 100% right in principle and, as usual, the pragmatists are right in practice. Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Spolsky on IE8 flag
Lea de Groot wrote: Joel Spolsky has published an ... interesting article http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html Far too long, and his point is buried somewhere... IE8b1 is a very rough beta...heck, I'd call it an alpha. They have serious rendering issues so far, but I doubt that they'll make it into the final version, what with that interoperability policy looming over the IE team's head. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Spolsky on IE8 flag
Lea de Groot wrote: Joel Spolsky has published an ... interesting article http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html Microsoft failed to follow the evolutionary trail and keep up with common standards - to the degree that such exists, and now they try to catch up without causing a revolution with subsequent riots all over IE/win-hackery land. I wish the IE team - and us - good luck. A fresh start would indeed be worth considering - with name and all, but I can't see that coming :-( I like Internet Avenger for I am a romantic. Who can think of a better name? :) It already has one: Internet Exploder, and I'm pragmatic and can't think of a better name until I see a better browser. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
