RE: [WSG] Multiple Language Domains

2008-06-15 Thread Matthew Hodgson
there's lots of things u can do to ensure that the language is correctly 
identified and the right characterset it used

1. as sajan suggests, the setting locale is important. it also helps with 
time/date formats

e.g. for php: setlocale(constant,location)
(see also: http://www.w3schools.com/php/func_string_setlocale.asp)

2. define the page's _primary_ language of the page content in the header

html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en

3. define the language inline when it changes from one language to another 
within the content

SPAN id=msg1 class=info lang=fr

4. use the uft-8 characterset and define it in the header through the doctype


?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
!DOCTYPE html
 PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en


5. use css to define the font to use for different languages.


p lang=zh class=zh(some Chinese text)/p


/* in the css */

[lang=zh],
* html .zh {
  font: 800 14pt/16.5pt Li Sung, serif
}


viola!
M :)


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sajan Franco [EMAIL 
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Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2008 6:42 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Multiple Language Domains

Hi Paul,

one way is to ask the user to choose a Locale on the landing page such en_EN or 
en_US , where en is the language chosen by the user and EN would represent the 
country.
For instance in countries like Belgium and Switzerland, most of the websites 
ask the user to choose their locale before proceeding so that the website can 
serve content of their choice in the language they prefer.
An example of this is http://www.nissan.ch/ or http://www.sunsilk.com where the 
user can chose the locale and proceed further. Since the translations are in 
different directories it is search engine friendly too. So when a user choose a 
locale he is taken to the respective homepage which serves the user in the 
language of his preference.

But as far as usability is concerned I am not sure because both of cited 
examples feature flash, which I suppose is not that user friendly when you take 
accessibility into consideration.

Warm Regards
Sajan Franco


On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Paul McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL 
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Hi Guys,

I am currently in the middle of building a site which has to be bi-lingual. We 
have two domains for the site www.ourwales.org.ukhttp://www.ourwales.org.uk 
and www.cymruni.org.ukhttp://www.cymruni.org.uk

I am looking for suggestions/help on how to handle the two domains.
Currently ourwales is the prominant/main domain and the one to which the IP 
details of the site are set. We are then using an alias within apache to also 
point cymruni to the same site. So you see the same site when you visit, but 
have two different domains. Both these domains are advertised.

I have a few worries though, currently both domains point to the english 
language version of the site, this will be changed so cymruni goes to the Welsh 
language side. Although the language is the same and its possible for people to 
flip between the two languages is it possible that google will see the site as 
duplicate content?

Also we are having trouble getting the alias to append the lang=cy to it on 
first visit. My thought was to make the ourwales domain the prominant one, and 
set up a folder with a 301 redirect in it which says 
cymruni.orghttp://cymruni.org has moved permanantly to 
ourwales.org.uk/lang=cyhttp://ourwales.org.uk/lang=cy that way we have only 
one domain indexed.

The reason for writing to this group is two fold
1, how does this affect usability and what is 'best practice' in this situation?
2, How have/would you implement a problem like this?

Ideally we want to provide the smoothest and friendliest experience to both the 
user and SE whichever domain they use.

thanks
Paul

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[WSG] Re: Multiple Language Domains

2008-06-15 Thread jay



?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
!DOCTYPE html
 PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en


Note:

1. The Doctype should be the first statement in a file
2. Putting the xml statement in before the Doctype will force IE6 (and 
below?) into QUIRKS mode


Instead use the meta tag:
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 /

jay


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