[WSG] your best practise for CSS sprites for elements that have no height declared
I am trying to optimize a site, though the file sizes of the overall images aren't so much of a problem but the http requests. So I am attempting to put 10 icons in one gif file, the individual icon size is merely 600b and the dimension is 18px by 12px. I made a 18px by 150px to hold 10 icons vertically, that makes the size a mere 4kb, problem is, there is no width declared in the list element that the icon is declared as background image, so when I make the font size bigger, the 2nd icon in the vertically order see through; one more increasement, I can see the 3rd and half of the 4th icons. so I estimate I have to give a least 80px space in height to prevent this from happening, by doing so, the file size is double. I guess this is alright as it reduces 9 http requests, but for other big images, I estimate I might have to make the height over 1500px to solve the problem that occurs when font size increases. I guess this is a twofold question: 1) How do you do to prevent the above issue from happening, if possible?; 2) Does this method really justify the reduces of http requests? Thanks! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Re: [WSG] your best practise for CSS sprites for elements that have no height declared
I often have sprites that are 800px or even more, I usually use 100px in between the images. But I think there's a limit on earlier versions of Opera that dont take images bigger than 2000px (not sure at all might be more). So I generally use 2 or 3 sprites if they get big, I still save a lot of requests. Even with the spacing between the pictures, the file is often smaller, and decreases loading time a lot, especially where the ping is really high; where I live it's about 140ms. Another thing you can do is cache all the images, so that it doesn't create a new request when someboy visits the website again. Here's an example for a htaccess file. FilesMatch \.(jpg|jpeg|png|gif|swf)$ Header set Cache-Control max-age=120, public /FilesMatch 120 seconds is 2 weeks. So if images change the visitor might not see before another 2 weeks. If doing updates just change the file name then it will work. Cheers, Johan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008/11/24 tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am trying to optimize a site, though the file sizes of the overall images aren't so much of a problem but the http requests. So I am attempting to put 10 icons in one gif file, the individual icon size is merely 600b and the dimension is 18px by 12px. I made a 18px by 150px to hold 10 icons vertically, that makes the size a mere 4kb, problem is, there is no width declared in the list element that the icon is declared as background image, so when I make the font size bigger, the 2nd icon in the vertically order see through; one more increasement, I can see the 3rd and half of the 4th icons. so I estimate I have to give a least 80px space in height to prevent this from happening, by doing so, the file size is double. I guess this is alright as it reduces 9 http requests, but for other big images, I estimate I might have to make the height over 1500px to solve the problem that occurs when font size increases. I guess this is a twofold question: 1) How do you do to prevent the above issue from happening, if possible?; 2) Does this method really justify the reduces of http requests? Thanks! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Web governance
I realise the list is very much about nuts and bolt of standards. So this might not be the right place for this posting and might be deemed to be ‘off topic’. If it is please ignore! I work in a large (lumbering) Australian federal government agency. My colleges in the web publishing section see developing standards compliant web sites as normal professional practice. However, some other parts of the organisation, mainly ‘traditional’ developers in the IT section, simply don’t get it. The outcome of this is some of the organisation’s web based applications are riddled with problems caused by poor coding practices. These manifest themselves as accessibility issues, difficulties with cross browser compatibility, and significant bottle necks applying updates to branding and presentation. The problems are steadily growing as the organisation builds more and more web interfaces to various applications and systems. To date the web section has taken the approach of trying to work with the developers in the IT area to help them understand the techniques and benefits web standards. However, this has been problematic because there is a lack of more formal mechanisms to enforce compliances. This brings me on to my question for the group. I’m currently looking for web channel governance models suitable for applying in a large public sector organisation that is moving towards significant delivery of services on-line. Can anyone give me some pointers, do have something that works in your organsiation, etc? The few models that I have found are geared at managing inter/intra net sites with a strong emphasis on managing content publishing and how this is used as a communication/marketing tool. For example http://egovau.blogspot.com/2008/07/drawing-lines-effectively-structuring.html. This approach tends to place the Marketing sections as the owner and avoids engagement with an organisation’s IT area. The problem is online services delivery is much bigger then the traditional ‘communications’ business activities, they cut across many parts of the organisation and require complex integration with other systems. Help! Andrew _ Win £1000 John Lewis shopping sprees with BigSnapSearch.com http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/117442309/direct/01/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Web governance
Ladies and Gents I am seeking JV partners for some of our company's websites If you have any interest please call or email me Cheers Tony Paterson Tel. 03 5981 4457 Our other great sites now include:- www.DirectoryAustralia.com- Can you be found?- are you listed? Why Not it's free! http://www.ozengine.com/ www.Postcodes.com.au easy to find postcodes and cities and towns. http://www.sportaustralia.com.au/ www.SportAustralia.com.au where every local sporting club can have a webpage for free and there are more to sites to choose from cricket, football, netball and more http://www.cars.com.au/ www.Classifieds.com.au free to advertise (new site coming soon) accommodationasia.com world wide at the best prices www.Cars.com.au where the best and motoring clubs can earn $$$ also see site for details http://www.e-cards.com.au/ www.e-cards.com.au send that special someone a card it's free and more to come Alliances Business Partner? See http://www.e-info.com.au/ www.e-info.com.au (joint ventures) send request to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew R Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 4:14 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Web governance I realise the list is very much about nuts and bolt of standards. So this might not be the right place for this posting and might be deemed to be 'off topic'. If it is please ignore! I work in a large (lumbering) Australian federal government agency. My colleges in the web publishing section see developing standards compliant web sites as normal professional practice. However, some other parts of the organisation, mainly 'traditional' developers in the IT section, simply don't get it. The outcome of this is some of the organisation's web based applications are riddled with problems caused by poor coding practices. These manifest themselves as accessibility issues, difficulties with cross browser compatibility, and significant bottle necks applying updates to branding and presentation. The problems are steadily growing as the organisation builds more and more web interfaces to various applications and systems. To date the web section has taken the approach of trying to work with the developers in the IT area to help them understand the techniques and benefits web standards. However, this has been problematic because there is a lack of more formal mechanisms to enforce compliances. This brings me on to my question for the group. I'm currently looking for web channel governance models suitable for applying in a large public sector organisation that is moving towards significant delivery of services on-line. Can anyone give me some pointers, do have something that works in your organsiation, etc? The few models that I have found are geared at managing inter/intra net sites with a strong emphasis on managing content publishing and how this is used as a communication/marketing tool. For example http://egovau.blogspot.com/2008/07/drawing-lines-effectively-structuring.ht ml http://egovau.blogspot.com/2008/07/drawing-lines-effectively-structuring.htm l. This approach tends to place the Marketing sections as the owner and avoids engagement with an organisation's IT area. The problem is online services delivery is much bigger then the traditional 'communications' business activities, they cut across many parts of the organisation and require complex integration with other systems. Help! Andrew _ Get the best wallpapers on the Web - FREE. Click http://wallpapers.msn.com/?ocid=%5bB001MSN42A0716B%5d here! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Web governance
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 16:58 +1100, Tony Paterson wrote: Ladies and Gents I am seeking JV partners for some of our company’s websites If you have any interest please call or email me And how is that even vaguely related to web standards, let alone the question posed? None of your site validate, and they all have their underwear showing [1], so I suspect you are looking in the wrong place for partners. In future please keep your spam to yourself. Cheers Dave [1] http://www.zeldman.com/2008/11/07/is-your-websites-underwear-showing/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Web governance - IGNORE POST
ADMIN Please ignore this post. Focus on the initial question post by Andrew. For those wondering, this post is wrong for two reasons: 1. totally unrelated to list purpose 2. hijacked an existing thread for totally unrelated topic. Thanks Russ on 24/11/08 4:58 PM, Tony Paterson at wrote: Ladies and Gents I am seeking JV partners for some of our company¹s websites If you have any interest please call or email me Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
THREAD CLOSED (well, the off topic part) Re: [WSG] Web governance
On topic? no way! Tony is no longer with us. Bye bye Tony! Don't let the door hit you on the way out! But - please continue discussion of the 'web governance' topic. 'How to move to Web Standards' is certainly on topic :) What do you think of the issues Andrew is facing? What have you done in similar situations? Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member On 24/11/2008, at 3:58 PM, Tony Paterson wrote: Ladies and Gents I am seeking JV partners for some of our company's websites If you have any interest please call or email me Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Web governance
Hi Andrew When you have the answer, can you email through to me. Nice/horrible to see the federal gov has the same issues as the state govs... Lisa Kerrigan Manager Content User Experience www.business.vic.gov.au www.diird.vic.gov.au 03 9651 9176 Andrew R [EMAIL PROTECTED] .com To Sent by: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc sgroup.org Subject [WSG] Web governance 24/11/2008 04:13 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] roup.org I realise the list is very much about nuts and bolt of standards. So this might not be the right place for this posting and might be deemed to be ‘off topic’. If it is please ignore! I work in a large (lumbering) Australian federal government agency. My colleges in the web publishing section see developing standards compliant web sites as normal professional practice. However, some other parts of the organisation, mainly ‘traditional’ developers in the IT section, simply don’t get it. The outcome of this is some of the organisation’s web based applications are riddled with problems caused by poor coding practices. These manifest themselves as accessibility issues, difficulties with cross browser compatibility, and significant bottle necks applying updates to branding and presentation. The problems are steadily growing as the organisation builds more and more web interfaces to various applications and systems. To date the web section has taken the approach of trying to work with the developers in the IT area to help them understand the techniques and benefits web standards. However, this has been problematic because there is a lack of more formal mechanisms to enforce compliances. This brings me on to my question for the group. I’m currently looking for web channel governance models suitable for applying in a large public sector organisation that is moving towards significant delivery of services on-line. Can anyone give me some pointers, do have something that works in your organsiation, etc? The few models that I have found are geared at managing inter/intra net sites with a strong emphasis on managing content publishing and how this is used as a communication/marketing tool. For example http://egovau.blogspot.com/2008/07/drawing-lines-effectively-structuring.html . This approach tends to place the Marketing sections as the owner and avoids engagement with an organisation’s IT area. The problem is online services delivery is much bigger then the traditional ‘communications’ business activities, they cut across many parts of the organisation and require complex integration with other systems. Help! Andrew Get the best wallpapers on the Web – FREE. Click here! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** * Department of Innovation, Industry and Regional Development,Government of Victoria, Victoria, Australia. This e-mail and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not distribute reproduce this e-mail the attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify us by return e-mail. *- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
