Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
And adding my 2 cents worth… This is part of the grand conspiracy. The panic about porn / bomb instructions on the web knee jerk is a smoke screen. What the government wants to do is control how it’s citizen access media and hence ideas. They love the traditional mass media because it’s easy to control and run by cooperation that have a vested interest keeping the old paradigms. They hate the web, email, etc because it’s hard to control and hence subvert how ideas spread. Goverements all over the place have been trying to do this for a long time. It’s stupid, won’t work and is going to cost us millions. What will happen is lots of folks will subscript to OS encrypted tunnelling services. The outcome will be lots of encrypted web traffic which will be a lot worse if you’re trying to track the activities of bomb makers and paedophiles. And it is going to chew up money that would be more productively spend improving the speed of the infrastructure (and not slowing it down). This is nearly a dumb that idea that Mr Keating had of sell exclusive rights to provide Australian net access to Microsoft!Andrew _ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Andrew R wrote: And adding my 2 cents worth… This is part of the grand conspiracy. The panic about porn / bomb instructions on the web knee jerk is a smoke screen. What the government wants to do is control how it’s citizen access media and hence ideas. This is part of the Great Conspiracy Theory (tm) Don't ascribe to malice that which can be more easily explained by mistake. I'll take ill-informed cock-up over conspiracy any day, as I don't believe Australian politicians have the nous to manage a grand conspiracy. They love the traditional mass media because it’s easy to control and run by cooperation that have a vested interest keeping the old paradigms. They hate the web, email, etc because it’s hard to control and hence subvert how ideas spread. Goverements all over the place have been trying to do this for a long time. They hate traditional media too, when they ask hard questions. It’s stupid, won’t work and is going to cost us millions. What will happen is lots of folks will subscript to OS encrypted tunnelling services. The outcome will be lots of encrypted web traffic which will be a lot worse if you’re trying to track the activities of bomb makers and paedophiles. And it is going to chew up money that would be more productively spend improving the speed of the infrastructure (and not slowing it down). Ah, something we can agree on - it won't work and it will cost $ This is nearly a dumb that idea that Mr Keating had of sell exclusive rights to provide Australian net access to Microsoft! Did he really? Do you have any cites for this? Cheers Mark Harris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Internet Censorship - Senator Conroy's 'Clean Feed'
And mine. (two cents that is..) The Web Industry Professionals Association (WIPA) website has a section on their website on this topic: http://wipa.org.au/story/24 and they will be conducting discussion sessions to formulate a response to the proposal by Senator Conroy. It's a ridiculous and absurd proposal that we don't want or need. Let's stop it by making our voices heard. ShannonG * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Andrew R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:36:02 + Subject: Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia And adding my 2 cents worth... This is part of the grand conspiracy. The panic about porn / bomb instruct ions on the web knee jerk is a smoke screen. What the government wants to d o is control how it's citizen access media and hence ideas. They love the traditional mass media because it's easy to control and run by cooperati on that have a vested interest keeping the old paradigms. They hate the web , email, etc because it's hard to control and hence subvert how ideas spread. Goverements all over the place have been trying to do this for a l ong time. It's stupid, won't work and is going to cost us millions. What will h appen is lots of folks will subscript to OS encrypted tunnelling services. The outcome will be lots of encrypted web traffic which will be a lot worse if you're trying to track the activities of bomb makers and paedophiles. And it is going to chew up money that would be more productively spend imp roving the speed of the infrastructure (and not slowing it down). This is nearly a dumb that idea that Mr Keating had of sell exclusive righ ts to provide Australian net access to Microsoft!Andrew See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail is intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed, and may contain secret, confidential or legally privileged information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are aware that you are not authorised to have it, you MUST NOT use or copy it, or disclose its contents to any person. If you do any of these things, you may be sued or prosecuted. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Stuff like this always draws the conspiracy theorists out of the woodwork—which isn’t too say it’s a negative thing—but for once I think I have tamer views on the subject. As stupid as some people seem to be, I don’t think Stephen Conroy is stupid enough to not get it by now. In fact he probably already understood that his clean feed scheme was not going to work properly— difficult to implement, risky to maintain, and have a number of adverse side effects—but as things go in politics he was too far in to admit he was wrong. Too much tax payer money had already been spent on the idea which had been promised to the Australian people under a Labour government at election time. In the end it’s a pathetic political episode: it would essentially be the political end of Mr. Conroy if he admits he was wrong now, so he’s going to try and play this out, although the chances of it ending well for him are dwindling daily. In the meantime we get to suffer from his egoism and possibly (let’s hope it doesn’t come to it) the clean feed. My 2 cents. (: Have an awesome week all. —Pascal On 30/11/2008, at 11:36 PM, Andrew R wrote: And adding my 2 cents worth… This is part of the grand conspiracy. The panic about porn / bomb instructions on the web knee jerk is a smoke screen. What the government wants to do is control how it’s citizen access media and hence ideas. They love the traditional mass media because it’s easy to control and run by cooperation that have a vested interest keeping the old paradigms. They hate the web, email, etc because it’s hard to control and hence subvert how ideas spread. Goverements all over the place have been trying to do this for a long time. It’s stupid, won’t work and is going to cost us millions. What will happen is lots of folks will subscript to OS encrypted tunnelling services. The outcome will be lots of encrypted web traffic which will be a lot worse if you’re trying to track the activities of bomb makers and paedophiles. And it is going to chew up money that would be more productively spend improving the speed of the infrastructure (and not slowing it down). This is nearly a dumb that idea that Mr Keating had of sell exclusive rights to provide Australian net access to Microsoft! Andrew Win £1000 John Lewis shopping sprees with BigSnapSearch.com Search now *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** --- Simon Pascal Klein Concept designer (w) http://klepas.org (e) [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Don't ascribe to malice that which can be more easily explained by mistake. I'll take ill-informed cock-up over conspiracy any day, as I don't believe Australian politicians have the nous to manage a grand conspiracy. yeah a mix of very noisy religious extremist lobby groups and influential people with vested interests and politicians in portfolios they have little understanding of leading to ill-informed cock-ups seems much more likely than any kind of centrally-planned conspiracy. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] headings to divide sections
Hi all,
I know it's a good idea to have skipping links at the top of your HTML
('main content' section, 'main navigation' section), but does it help to
have a heading to those sections as well?
So for example:
a href=#mainNavFirst level navigation/a
div id=mainNav
h2First level navigation/h2
ul
...
/ul
/div
CSS:
#mainNav h2 { position:absolute; left:-em; top:-em }
I didn't use display:none because screen readers would ignore it, hence I'm
using absolute positioning. Is this a good idea, or would it add more noise?
Thanks
Ben
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Re: [WSG] headings to divide sections
Hi know that vision australia do like the implementation of a text position
to be -px and have a :focus added to bring it into view.
If I find the site they recommended as a good implementation of this I'll
pass it onto the list.
William Donovan
2008/12/1 Ben Lau [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all,
I know it's a good idea to have skipping links at the top of your HTML
('main content' section, 'main navigation' section), but does it help to
have a heading to those sections as well?
So for example:
a href=#mainNavFirst level navigation/a
div id=mainNav
h2First level navigation/h2
ul
...
/ul
/div
CSS:
#mainNav h2 { position:absolute; left:-em; top:-em }
I didn't use display:none because screen readers would ignore it, hence I'm
using absolute positioning. Is this a good idea, or would it add more noise?
Thanks
Ben
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Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
THis is exactly my way of thinking, of what the firewall is really about. Getting down to it though, and probable slightly off topic, if you think about it, it's the church's and religious groups that really control us through using government positions to do so. In saying, for those of us that believe there is people that are tapped into their psychic abilities, it's been religious belief that has changed the general publics views on psychic's as being witchery and of satanic leaning. Andrew R wrote: And adding my 2 cents worth… This is part of the grand conspiracy. The panic about porn / bomb instructions on the web knee jerk is a smoke screen. What the government wants to do is control how it’s citizen access media and hence ideas. They love the traditional mass media because it’s easy to control and run by cooperation that have a vested interest keeping the old paradigms. They hate the web, email, etc because it’s hard to control and hence subvert how ideas spread. Goverements all over the place have been trying to do this for a long time. It’s stupid, won’t work and is going to cost us millions. What will happen is lots of folks will subscript to OS encrypted tunnelling services. The outcome will be lots of encrypted web traffic which will be a lot worse if you’re trying to track the activities of bomb makers and paedophiles. And it is going to chew up money that would be more productively spend improving the speed of the infrastructure (and not slowing it down). This is nearly a dumb that idea that Mr Keating had of sell exclusive rights to provide Australian net access to Microsoft! Andrew Win £1000 John Lewis shopping sprees with BigSnapSearch.com Search now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/117442309/direct/01/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
ADMIN: THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Its been a good read, but I think we've said everything we need to say, and I can't think of any excuse to make it on-topic. Thread closed. So - Aussies, make sure you make your opinion known to the appropriate people. Rest of the world - please try not to snicker, point and laugh at us too much :( Lea ~ but the implementation is non standard! Umm, no, still off topic ;) -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Internet Censorship - Senator Conroy's 'Clean Feed'
to quote Conroy from http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/31/2129471.htm: The internet hasn't ground to a halt in the UK, it hasn't ground to a halt in Scandinavian countries and it's not grinding the internet to a halt in Europe. He seems to forget, that Australia as a whole is being served some of the slowest broadband connections to citizens. These other countries, have much much faster internet home connections, than people in Australia. Damn it, I know people in Europe that have 100mbit connections to their homes. Conroy really needs to get his head out of his nether regions. Garner, Shannon wrote: And mine. (two cents that is..) The Web Industry Professionals Association (WIPA) website has a section on their website on this topic: http://wipa.org.au/story/24 and they will be conducting discussion sessions to formulate a response to the proposal by Senator Conroy. It's a ridiculous and absurd proposal that we don't want or need. Let's stop it by making our voices heard. ShannonG * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Andrew R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:36:02 + Subject: Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia And adding my 2 cents worth... This is part of the grand conspiracy. The panic about porn / bomb instruct ions on the web knee jerk is a smoke screen. What the government wants to d o is control how it's citizen access media and hence ideas. They love the traditional mass media because it's easy to control and run by cooperati on that have a vested interest keeping the old paradigms. They hate the web , email, etc because it's hard to control and hence subvert how ideas spread. Goverements all over the place have been trying to do this for a l ong time. It's stupid, won't work and is going to cost us millions. What will h appen is lots of folks will subscript to OS encrypted tunnelling services. The outcome will be lots of encrypted web traffic which will be a lot worse if you're trying to track the activities of bomb makers and paedophiles. And it is going to chew up money that would be more productively spend imp roving the speed of the infrastructure (and not slowing it down). This is nearly a dumb that idea that Mr Keating had of sell exclusive righ ts to provide Australian net access to Microsoft!Andrew See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail is intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed, and may contain secret, confidential or legally privileged information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are aware that you are not authorised to have it, you MUST NOT use or copy it, or disclose its contents to any person. If you do any of these things, you may be sued or prosecuted. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
