RE: [WSG] a WCAG 2.0 question

2009-03-13 Thread Jens-Uwe Korff
I'm also bruised by new windows I didn't want and links which apparently
didn't work because they refreshed an existing window below the current
one.

I second the line of argumentation against new windows. Even if screen
readers can deal with them better now, I'd like to keep the user in
control of what they're doing. There's no better indicator to a new
window than the decision in the user's mind.

Cheers,
 
Jens 

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RE: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

2009-03-13 Thread Foskett, Mike
An excellent tool.

I'm intrigued as to why this code would flag an error:

titleWelcome to siteName - blah blah blah/title
...
h1a href=/siteName/a/h1
...
h1Welcome yada yada yada/h1

Live page: http://websemantics.co.uk/

Test result page report: 
http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/report/11ffbe32e288ea27/page/1/nav/


I'm very happy that it's the only error though.
Will use this tool to check through the rest of the site when time's available,


Regards

Mike Foskett



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Subject: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

The Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 (FAE) has been
released with new and updated accessibility rules based on the iCITA
Best Practices [1 to help web developers create HTML resources that
are usable by people with disabilities.

 FAE is a free service provided by the University of Illinois as a
public service to support the creation of functionally accessible web
resources to comply with Section 508 [2] and W3C Web Content
Accessibility Guidelines [3] requirements .

New reporting features let you archive up to 5 reports for as long as
you want and as always you can still send URLs of web accessibility
reports to developers and administrators for review without them
needed to create an account.

 http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu

Sign up for your new FREE account at:

 http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/accounts/register/

Signing up for an account will let you test entire websites, instead
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NOTE: If you had an account on the old version of FAE you will need to
create a NEW account on FAE 1.0.  The new version of FAE uses a
different web application framework than the previous system and we
were not able to migrate the old database.

Information about new FAE features at:

 http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/about/versions/

References
1. iCITA HTML Best Practices
  http:/fae.cita.uiuc.edu

2. Section 508 Information Technology Accessibility Standards
   http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/standards.htm

3. W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines
   http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG


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Re: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

2009-03-13 Thread Kay in t Veen - Gmail

double h1 tags are never good!

chechout http://slipper-shop.nl

1 h1
1 h2
multiple h3


On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Foskett, Mike wrote:


An excellent tool.

I'm intrigued as to why this code would flag an error:

   titleWelcome to siteName - blah blah blah/title
   ...
   h1a href=/siteName/a/h1
   ...
   h1Welcome yada yada yada/h1

Live page: http://websemantics.co.uk/

Test result page report: 
http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/report/11ffbe32e288ea27/page/1/nav/


I'm very happy that it's the only error though.
Will use this tool to check through the rest of the site when time's  
available,



Regards

Mike Foskett



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Sent: 12 March 2009 14:07
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0  
Released!


The Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 (FAE) has been
released with new and updated accessibility rules based on the iCITA
Best Practices [1 to help web developers create HTML resources that
are usable by people with disabilities.

FAE is a free service provided by the University of Illinois as a
public service to support the creation of functionally accessible web
resources to comply with Section 508 [2] and W3C Web Content
Accessibility Guidelines [3] requirements .

New reporting features let you archive up to 5 reports for as long as
you want and as always you can still send URLs of web accessibility
reports to developers and administrators for review without them
needed to create an account.

http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu

Sign up for your new FREE account at:

http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/accounts/register/

Signing up for an account will let you test entire websites, instead
of just one web page.

NOTE: If you had an account on the old version of FAE you will need to
create a NEW account on FAE 1.0.  The new version of FAE uses a
different web application framework than the previous system and we
were not able to migrate the old database.

Information about new FAE features at:

http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/about/versions/

References
1. iCITA HTML Best Practices
 http:/fae.cita.uiuc.edu

2. Section 508 Information Technology Accessibility Standards
  http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/standards.htm

3. W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines
  http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG


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RE: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

2009-03-13 Thread michael.brockington
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On Behalf Of Kay in t Veen - Gmail
Sent: 13 March 2009 10:59
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0
Released!

 double h1 tags are never good!


That is a matter of opinion. They are not illegal.

Mike


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RE: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

2009-03-13 Thread Foskett, Mike
Hey Kay,

I'll have to respectively disagree about h1 tags.
The Illinois FAE has it about right: max 2 h1's, content in h1's replicated in 
the title.
It's just the test appears to fail correct detection on that criteria.


http://slipper-shop.nl/
I don't think we're looking at the same page?
Either that or you missed a bit.
Page has 2 h1's and 1 h2.
It also has a h3 following a h1.


Regards

Mike



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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Kay in t Veen - Gmail
Sent: 13 March 2009 10:59
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

double h1 tags are never good!

chechout http://slipper-shop.nl

1 h1
1 h2
multiple h3


On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Foskett, Mike wrote:

 An excellent tool.

 I'm intrigued as to why this code would flag an error:

titleWelcome to siteName - blah blah blah/title
...
h1a href=/siteName/a/h1
...
h1Welcome yada yada yada/h1

 Live page: http://websemantics.co.uk/

 Test result page report: 
 http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/report/11ffbe32e288ea27/page/1/nav/


 I'm very happy that it's the only error though.
 Will use this tool to check through the rest of the site when time's
 available,


 Regards

 Mike Foskett



 -Original Message-
 From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org
 [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jon Gunderson
 Sent: 12 March 2009 14:07
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0
 Released!

 The Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 (FAE) has been
 released with new and updated accessibility rules based on the iCITA
 Best Practices [1 to help web developers create HTML resources that
 are usable by people with disabilities.

 FAE is a free service provided by the University of Illinois as a
 public service to support the creation of functionally accessible web
 resources to comply with Section 508 [2] and W3C Web Content
 Accessibility Guidelines [3] requirements .

 New reporting features let you archive up to 5 reports for as long as
 you want and as always you can still send URLs of web accessibility
 reports to developers and administrators for review without them
 needed to create an account.

 http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu

 Sign up for your new FREE account at:

 http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/accounts/register/

 Signing up for an account will let you test entire websites, instead
 of just one web page.

 NOTE: If you had an account on the old version of FAE you will need to
 create a NEW account on FAE 1.0.  The new version of FAE uses a
 different web application framework than the previous system and we
 were not able to migrate the old database.

 Information about new FAE features at:

 http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/about/versions/

 References
 1. iCITA HTML Best Practices
  http:/fae.cita.uiuc.edu

 2. Section 508 Information Technology Accessibility Standards
   http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/standards.htm

 3. W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines
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Re: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

2009-03-13 Thread Jon Gunderson
Mike,

I just wanted to thank you for your feedback.  Also the Firefox
Accessibility Extension can be found at:

http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu

Jon


On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:33 AM, Foskett, Mike
mike.fosk...@uk.tesco.com wrote:
 An excellent tool.

 I'm intrigued as to why this code would flag an error:

    titleWelcome to siteName - blah blah blah/title
    ...
    h1a href=/siteName/a/h1
    ...
    h1Welcome yada yada yada/h1

 Live page: http://websemantics.co.uk/

 Test result page report: 
 http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/report/11ffbe32e288ea27/page/1/nav/


 I'm very happy that it's the only error though.
 Will use this tool to check through the rest of the site when time's 
 available,


 Regards

 Mike Foskett



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 From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
 Behalf Of Jon Gunderson
 Sent: 12 March 2009 14:07
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

 The Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 (FAE) has been
 released with new and updated accessibility rules based on the iCITA
 Best Practices [1 to help web developers create HTML resources that
 are usable by people with disabilities.

  FAE is a free service provided by the University of Illinois as a
 public service to support the creation of functionally accessible web
 resources to comply with Section 508 [2] and W3C Web Content
 Accessibility Guidelines [3] requirements .

 New reporting features let you archive up to 5 reports for as long as
 you want and as always you can still send URLs of web accessibility
 reports to developers and administrators for review without them
 needed to create an account.

  http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu

 Sign up for your new FREE account at:

  http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/accounts/register/

 Signing up for an account will let you test entire websites, instead
 of just one web page.

 NOTE: If you had an account on the old version of FAE you will need to
 create a NEW account on FAE 1.0.  The new version of FAE uses a
 different web application framework than the previous system and we
 were not able to migrate the old database.

 Information about new FAE features at:

  http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/about/versions/

 References
 1. iCITA HTML Best Practices
  http:/fae.cita.uiuc.edu

 2. Section 508 Information Technology Accessibility Standards
   http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/standards.htm

 3. W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines
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RE: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

2009-03-13 Thread Stuart Foulstone

possibly something to do with:

#websemantics a {display:none}

producing an empty h1/h1 ?



On Fri, March 13, 2009 10:33 am, Foskett, Mike wrote:
 An excellent tool.

 I'm intrigued as to why this code would flag an error:

 titleWelcome to siteName - blah blah blah/title
 ...
 h1a href=/siteName/a/h1
 ...
 h1Welcome yada yada yada/h1

 Live page: http://websemantics.co.uk/

 Test result page report:
 http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/report/11ffbe32e288ea27/page/1/nav/


 I'm very happy that it's the only error though.
 Will use this tool to check through the rest of the site when time's
 available,


 Regards

 Mike Foskett



 -Original Message-
 From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
 Behalf Of Jon Gunderson
 Sent: 12 March 2009 14:07
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0
 Released!

 The Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 (FAE) has been
 released with new and updated accessibility rules based on the iCITA
 Best Practices [1 to help web developers create HTML resources that
 are usable by people with disabilities.

  FAE is a free service provided by the University of Illinois as a
 public service to support the creation of functionally accessible web
 resources to comply with Section 508 [2] and W3C Web Content
 Accessibility Guidelines [3] requirements .

 New reporting features let you archive up to 5 reports for as long as
 you want and as always you can still send URLs of web accessibility
 reports to developers and administrators for review without them
 needed to create an account.

  http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu

 Sign up for your new FREE account at:

  http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/accounts/register/

 Signing up for an account will let you test entire websites, instead
 of just one web page.

 NOTE: If you had an account on the old version of FAE you will need to
 create a NEW account on FAE 1.0.  The new version of FAE uses a
 different web application framework than the previous system and we
 were not able to migrate the old database.

 Information about new FAE features at:

  http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/about/versions/

 References
 1. iCITA HTML Best Practices
   http:/fae.cita.uiuc.edu

 2. Section 508 Information Technology Accessibility Standards
http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/standards.htm

 3. W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines
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RE: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

2009-03-13 Thread Stuart Foulstone

Err... sorry about my initial confusion - I've had a long day.


Perhaps,

The text content of each h1 element should match all or part of the title
content. 

means that ALL the h1 text content,

Welcome - work, you're welcome to it

should match PART of the title content - which of course it doesn't, since
you have PART of the h1 matching PART of the title.

Try removing the tagline so it just reads Welcome and test again.


Another interesting experiment might be to add the tagline to the title,
say (for example),

titleWelcome to webSemantics - work, you're welcome to it - Rich,
usable, engaging and accessible solutions/title (for example)

and see if you can pass the test with the h1 content matching with a
combination of two parts of the title.




On Fri, March 13, 2009 10:33 am, Foskett, Mike wrote:
 An excellent tool.

 I'm intrigued as to why this code would flag an error:

 titleWelcome to siteName - blah blah blah/title
 ...
 h1a href=/siteName/a/h1
 ...
 h1Welcome yada yada yada/h1

 Live page: http://websemantics.co.uk/

 Test result page report:
 http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/report/11ffbe32e288ea27/page/1/nav/


 I'm very happy that it's the only error though.
 Will use this tool to check through the rest of the site when time's
 available,


 Regards

 Mike Foskett



 -Original Message-
 From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
 Behalf Of Jon Gunderson
 Sent: 12 March 2009 14:07
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0
 Released!

 The Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 (FAE) has been
 released with new and updated accessibility rules based on the iCITA
 Best Practices [1 to help web developers create HTML resources that
 are usable by people with disabilities.

  FAE is a free service provided by the University of Illinois as a
 public service to support the creation of functionally accessible web
 resources to comply with Section 508 [2] and W3C Web Content
 Accessibility Guidelines [3] requirements .

 New reporting features let you archive up to 5 reports for as long as
 you want and as always you can still send URLs of web accessibility
 reports to developers and administrators for review without them
 needed to create an account.

  http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu

 Sign up for your new FREE account at:

  http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/accounts/register/

 Signing up for an account will let you test entire websites, instead
 of just one web page.

 NOTE: If you had an account on the old version of FAE you will need to
 create a NEW account on FAE 1.0.  The new version of FAE uses a
 different web application framework than the previous system and we
 were not able to migrate the old database.

 Information about new FAE features at:

  http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/about/versions/

 References
 1. iCITA HTML Best Practices
   http:/fae.cita.uiuc.edu

 2. Section 508 Information Technology Accessibility Standards
http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/standards.htm

 3. W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines
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RE: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

2009-03-13 Thread Stuart Foulstone

but then you wouldn't have,

# Each h1 element must have text content.
# Pass


Perhaps its the other h1 and

The text content of each h1 element should match all or part of the title
content. 

means that ALL it's text content,

Welcome - work, you're welcome to it

should match part of the title content (which of course it doesn't).

Try removing the tagline so it just reads Welcome and test again.









On Sat, March 14, 2009 12:35 am, Stuart Foulstone wrote:

 possibly something to do with:

 #websemantics a {display:none}

 producing an empty h1/h1 ?



 On Fri, March 13, 2009 10:33 am, Foskett, Mike wrote:
 An excellent tool.

 I'm intrigued as to why this code would flag an error:

 titleWelcome to siteName - blah blah blah/title
 ...
 h1a href=/siteName/a/h1
 ...
 h1Welcome yada yada yada/h1

 Live page: http://websemantics.co.uk/

 Test result page report:
 http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/report/11ffbe32e288ea27/page/1/nav/


 I'm very happy that it's the only error though.
 Will use this tool to check through the rest of the site when time's
 available,


 Regards

 Mike Foskett



 -Original Message-
 From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Jon Gunderson
 Sent: 12 March 2009 14:07
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0
 Released!

 The Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 (FAE) has been
 released with new and updated accessibility rules based on the iCITA
 Best Practices [1 to help web developers create HTML resources that
 are usable by people with disabilities.

  FAE is a free service provided by the University of Illinois as a
 public service to support the creation of functionally accessible web
 resources to comply with Section 508 [2] and W3C Web Content
 Accessibility Guidelines [3] requirements .

 New reporting features let you archive up to 5 reports for as long as
 you want and as always you can still send URLs of web accessibility
 reports to developers and administrators for review without them
 needed to create an account.

  http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu

 Sign up for your new FREE account at:

  http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/accounts/register/

 Signing up for an account will let you test entire websites, instead
 of just one web page.

 NOTE: If you had an account on the old version of FAE you will need to
 create a NEW account on FAE 1.0.  The new version of FAE uses a
 different web application framework than the previous system and we
 were not able to migrate the old database.

 Information about new FAE features at:

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 References
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Re: [WSG] a WCAG 2.0 question

2009-03-13 Thread Peter Dolkens
Ideally they should warn or give some indication that they're going to open
in a new window.

I know the way i personally browse sites means I hate it when they open
things in new windows. If i want new windows, I hold control down as I
click, or middle click, or whatever. It's default functionality for almost
every browser now. If the site is poorly written and i can't do that because
it's trying to run some javascript, it is frustrating, as I shouldn't have a
link that isn't a link on my screen. (But this is a different issue)

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Glen Wallis glen.wal...@velocitynet.com.au
 wrote:

  Hello all



 I am interested to know whether the people on this list consider opening a
 new window without alerting the user to be a failure to conform to Success
 Criterion 3.2.2 of WCAG 2.0.



 The success criterion is as follows:



 *3.2.2 On Input:* Changing the setting of any user interface component
 does not automatically cause a change of context unless the user has been
 advised of the behaviour before using the component. (Level A)

 The key phrases, I believe are “user interface component” and “change of
 context”. I looked up the definitions of both phrases. The glossary states
 quite clearly that a link is a user interface component and that a change of
 context includes opening a new window. However, the document “Understanding
 SC 3.2.2” says

 *“Additional Techniques (Advisory) for 3.2.2*

 Although not required for conformance, the following additional techniques
 should be considered in order to make content more accessible. Not all
 techniques can be used or would be effective in all situations.

- Giving users advanced warning when opening a new window. (future
link)”

 This seems like a contradiction. The WCAG 2.0 Recommendation is the only
 normative document, so it should take precedence over the Understanding
 document. However, the Understanding document specifically states that
 warning the user is not required for conformance.



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