Re: [WSG] Where is browser compatibility in wcag?
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] < aboeh...@addictivemedia.com.au> wrote: > > I went through WCAG 1 and WCAG 2, and I expected an appropriate guideline > to > show up under Priority 1 (or Level A), but nothing. Or am I missing > something in the obscure wording of the document that is WCAG? > A user's choice of technology is not an accessibility issue. If people want to view content on the web, they have to make sure they are using suitable hardware and software - using a 10-year-old browser doesn't qualify, IMO. Should I be able to view a site on my Commodore 64? - Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Where is browser compatibility in wcag?
Hey guys, I have just come across a website that looks absolutely fine in IE7, IE6, Firefox and the other modern browsers, however in IE5 none of the content shows up. The HTML/CSS is all valid, but what really made me stop and think is that the site actually complies with the WCAG 1.0 guidelines as far as I can see. So I wonder: where are the guidelines addressing browser compatibility in WCAG? I mean: to be accessible the site doesn't necessarily have to look great, but at least the content should show up in all browsers, even the old ones, right? Of course the users could switch off stylesheets and the content would show up even in IE5, but I can't imagine that the accessibility guidelines would expect users of particular browsers to be changing their settings? I went through WCAG 1 and WCAG 2, and I expected an appropriate guideline to show up under Priority 1 (or Level A), but nothing. Or am I missing something in the obscure wording of the document that is WCAG? Andreas. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3994 (20090407) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] TYPE attribute of BUTTON
On Apr 6, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Essential eBiz Solutions wrote:
Tee, I've stopped trying to figure out what Varien have going on in
their
heads. When it comes to Magento I prefer to make my own .phtml files
now. At
least that way I know they'll pass validation.
At some point Varien developers talked about improving the
accessibility on Magento code, even though I can't quite see it
clearly yet but I was hoping the newly added button type is one of
many steps that needs to be taken to improve the accessibility.
As you are aware, they use "onClick" for most button.
php echo $this->__('Buy Now') ?>
So I was guessing the will eventually
eliminating the "onClick" and use Ajax calls to perform the button
submission.
I built my theme/template and have made every phtml file passes the
markup and WAI priority two validation (except the "E823 [WAI 3.5
(AA)] Nest headings properly"), and have ensured the quality of my
markup, as a result, I need to keep track on every little bit of
change in phtml/xml files Varien developer do.
Cheers,
tee
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Re: [WSG] IE8 compatibility mode
On Apr 6, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tatham Oddie wrote: Tee, IE8 is shown as a Windows Update. If you're in Uninstall or Change Programs, make sure you have "Show Updates" ticked at the top of the window. Tatham Oddie http://tath.am Hi Tatham, THanks for this info. I did find out how to uninstall IE8 by posting question to another listserv. Couldn't see the same problem after a reinstallation on IE8 under Classic View setting. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 compatibility mode
Eyemax Studios wrote:
You can have a look, it's www.studiojunkyard.com I would be more
inclined to fix it, when have time hehe.
Well, it definitely isn't what Microsoft believes the Standards should
be. All KHTML/WebKit and Presto browsers agree with IE8 (in Standards
mode), and only Gecko browsers and older IE are missing the
points/standards.
Neither IE's old 'hasLayout' bug nor the particular margin-collapse
behavior in Gecko can be relied on in IE8 and the other browsers. The
'hasLayout' bug is gone in IE8 (in Standards mode).
Try adding/changing to...
.content1, .content2{margin-bottom: 0;}
.home{padding-top:110px;margin-left:90px;background:transparent;}
* html .home{margin-top:110px; /* IE6 */}
*:first-child+html>body .home{margin-top:110px; /* IE7 */}
...for that particular page, and all browsers will line up - in
accordance with standards.
Doesn't prevent your page from looking a bit broken when subjected to
font resizing in all browsers though, I'm afraid.
regards
Georg
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http://www.gunlaug.no
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RE: [WSG] IE8 compatibility mode
For the record, the problem that I was having seems to be limited to one installation - everyone else who has tested this has had no issues, so I am going to assume that there _isn't_ anything wrong with my code until proved otherwise. Mike -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Tatham Oddie Sent: 07 April 2009 07:34 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] IE8 compatibility mode Would you mind sending me the link so I can take a look and diagnose why it is not rendering properly without compatibility view? Tatham Oddie http://tath.am *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 compatibility mode
Eyemax Studios wrote: Personally I think this is just another Microsoft attempt at trying to enforce what it believes the Standards should be. The beta program lasted for quite some time, you could have provided feedback if you thought they were deviating from actual standards. I too, spent several minutes trying to fix problems in ie8, when my wife noticed the main business's site not displaying properly, then she noticed the compatibility button next to the address bar in ie8 and it all worked fine. Presumably it was pre-hacked to work with IE7, so it is unsurprising the switching to IE7 compatibility mode would resolve any issues. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] IE8 compatibility mode
Tee, IE8 is shown as a Windows Update. If you're in Uninstall or Change Programs, make sure you have "Show Updates" ticked at the top of the window. Tatham Oddie http://tath.am -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Saturday, 28 March 2009 4:02 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 compatibility mode On Mar 26, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Nick Hodge wrote: >> >> A heads up, I was using Classic View for my Vista, in IE8 with >> standard mode the sites all had a few paddings/margins issue in a >> number of pages where absolute position is declared, and on few areas >> where there is darken background color with lighter 1px horizontal >> line, the line turns to solid white. Soon as I switched to Vista >> View, all these problems disappeared. > > Is the URL for this so I can escalate to IE8 team? > > Nick Hodge Hi Nick, I switched back to Classic View thinking to make the screenshots, but all the problems I saw before I switched to Vista View are gone. Not sure if it was some residues from IE7 I am absolute those problems are real, not my imaginations as I actually spent some 10 minutes trying to fix one page by adding a It IE8 Conditional comment, when it didn't work as it should as I know my CSS code, I started looking for other possible cause, however switching to Vista View was quite accidental because IE8 looks exactly like IE7 in the classic view and I couldn't find the Compatibility Mode on the toolbar. I would have uninstalled IE8 to run another test to see if I can see those problem again, but I can't find how to uninstall IE8. In the Control Panel > Uninstall or Change Program, I can't see IE8. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 compatibility mode
You can have a look, it's www.studiojunkyard.com I would be more inclined to fix it, when have time hehe. Been building sites for a good time now, so it would be just a matter of taking the time and looking properly to solve it in a minimilist way. Tatham Oddie wrote: Would you mind sending me the link so I can take a look and diagnose why it is not rendering properly without compatibility view? Tatham Oddie http://tath.am -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Eyemax Studios Sent: Tuesday, 7 April 2009 3:37 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 compatibility mode Personally I think this is just another Microsoft attempt at trying to enforce what it believes the Standards should be. I too, spent several minutes trying to fix problems in ie8, when my wife noticed the main business's site not displaying properly, then she noticed the compatibility button next to the address bar in ie8 and it all worked fine. Tatham Oddie wrote: Tee, IE8 is shown as a Windows Update. If you're in Uninstall or Change Programs, make sure you have "Show Updates" ticked at the top of the window. Tatham Oddie http://tath.am -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Saturday, 28 March 2009 4:02 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 compatibility mode On Mar 26, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Nick Hodge wrote: A heads up, I was using Classic View for my Vista, in IE8 with standard mode the sites all had a few paddings/margins issue in a number of pages where absolute position is declared, and on few areas where there is darken background color with lighter 1px horizontal line, the line turns to solid white. Soon as I switched to Vista View, all these problems disappeared. Is the URL for this so I can escalate to IE8 team? Nick Hodge Hi Nick, I switched back to Classic View thinking to make the screenshots, but all the problems I saw before I switched to Vista View are gone. Not sure if it was some residues from IE7 I am absolute those problems are real, not my imaginations as I actually spent some 10 minutes trying to fix one page by adding a It IE8 Conditional comment, when it didn't work as it should as I know my CSS code, I started looking for other possible cause, however switching to Vista View was quite accidental because IE8 looks exactly like IE7 in the classic view and I couldn't find the Compatibility Mode on the toolbar. I would have uninstalled IE8 to run another test to see if I can see those problem again, but I can't find how to uninstall IE8. In the Control Panel > Uninstall or Change Program, I can't see IE8. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
