[WSG] my site and mouse rollovers
hi. well not going to change the site a whole great deal. proud of this site i created for my course. and only changing the mouse rollovers. so if it looks great. let me know. it is at: http://startrekcafe.alacorncomputer.com cheers Marvin. ps: might be a few hours before my friend uploads it. as i cannot upload it and login into the ftp site. i get a internet cannot open this page. tried it in firefox and get the same problem. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] my site and mouse rollovers
Hi Marvin, I am interested in your angle on regarding the repeating alt attribute values in your menu, e.g. alt=Closed Banana. This would appear to be against basic WCAGC accessibility guidelines, and also totally unnecessary verbiage for the listener. What is your reasoning for doing this? On Tue, September 22, 2009 8:27 am, Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. well not going to change the site a whole great deal. proud of this site i created for my course. and only changing the mouse rollovers. so if it looks great. let me know. it is at: http://startrekcafe.alacorncomputer.com cheers Marvin. ps: might be a few hours before my friend uploads it. as i cannot upload it and login into the ftp site. i get a internet cannot open this page. tried it in firefox and get the same problem. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] my site and mouse rollovers
Hi Marvin, To follow on from what Dave Hurley said about colours, I find the green Link text hard to read on the green background. No matter how great your site is, if your users can't read it, it's not doing its job. Visionaustralia have a really useful tool on their Web site here: http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/info.aspx?page=628 It will help you check colour combinations for visibility. All the best with your course. Lesley Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. well not going to change the site a whole great deal. proud of this site i created for my course. and only changing the mouse rollovers. so if it looks great. let me know. it is at: http://startrekcafe.alacorncomputer.com cheers Marvin. ps: might be a few hours before my friend uploads it. as i cannot upload it and login into the ftp site. i get a internet cannot open this page. tried it in firefox and get the same problem. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] my site and mouse rollovers
Hi Marvin, To follow on from what Dave Hurley said about colours, I find the green Link text hard to read on the green background. No matter how great your site is, if your users can't read it, it's not doing its job. Visionaustralia have a really useful tool on their Web site here: http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/info.aspx?page=628 It will help you check colour combinations for visibility. All the best with your course. Lesley Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. well not going to change the site a whole great deal. proud of this site i created for my course. and only changing the mouse rollovers. so if it looks great. let me know. it is at: http://startrekcafe.alacorncomputer.com cheers Marvin. ps: might be a few hours before my friend uploads it. as i cannot upload it and login into the ftp site. i get a internet cannot open this page. tried it in firefox and get the same problem. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
Hi, I have an ordered list that needs the items to be alphabetized and have lines in between the items that will be subheadings within the list BUT also need to NOT take a letter. Is there a best practice on trying to accomplish the desired look? (examples below) Here is the code with no validation issues but the two lines with Subheading will get a letter (not desired): ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol In the following list I get the desired results in the browser but does not validate,(The tag:div is not allowed within: ol): ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol I appreciate any advice, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
In the following list I get the desired results in the browser but does not validate,(The tag:div is not allowed within: ol): How about: ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol Best regards, Kepler Gelotte Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. 156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854 www.neighborwebmaster.com phone/fax: (732) 302-0904 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
Perhaps you could use separate lists for each sub-heading then use the appropriate start value for each list. Using something similar to: http://www.arraystudio.com/as-workshop/make-ol-list-start-from-number-different-than-1-using-css.html (maybe an unordered list(definition list?) of subheadings with nested ordered lists) Just an idea. On Tue, September 22, 2009 3:40 pm, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: Hi, I have an ordered list that needs the items to be alphabetized and have lines in between the items that will be subheadings within the list BUT also need to NOT take a letter. Is there a best practice on trying to accomplish the desired look? (examples below) Here is the code with no validation issues but the two lines with Subheading will get a letter (not desired): ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol In the following list I get the desired results in the browser but does not validate,(The tag:div is not allowed within: ol): ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol I appreciate any advice, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
Good call. I did this and it works visually and validates. How will this work for screen readers? Anyone??? -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Kepler Gelotte Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:44 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice In the following list I get the desired results in the browser but does not validate,(The tag:div is not allowed within: ol): How about: ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol Best regards, Kepler Gelotte Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. 156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854 www.neighborwebmaster.com phone/fax: (732) 302-0904 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
Thanks Stuart.
Exactly what I was looking for!! But will this work for an ordered list
with capital letter styling? And is it kosher for web standards?
BTW- I changed my list to use CSS for the deprecated type attribute.
Now using:
.list_style_upper_alpha { /*For ordered lists that need ABC...*/
list-style-type:upper-alpha;
}
Cheers
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:08 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
Perhaps you could use separate lists for each sub-heading then use the
appropriate start value for each list.
Using something similar to:
http://www.arraystudio.com/as-workshop/make-ol-list-start-from-number-di
fferent-than-1-using-css.html
(maybe an unordered list(definition list?) of subheadings with nested
ordered lists)
Just an idea.
On Tue, September 22, 2009 3:40 pm, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote:
Hi,
I have an ordered list that needs the items to be alphabetized and
have lines in between the items that will be subheadings within the
list BUT also need to NOT take a letter. Is there a best practice on
trying to accomplish the desired look? (examples below)
Here is the code with no validation issues but the two lines with
Subheading will get a letter (not desired):
ol type=A
lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li
li
div class=margin_left_minus_40px
h3Subheading/h3
/div
/li
lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li
lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li
li
div class=margin_left_minus_40px
h3Subheading/h3
/div
/li
lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li
lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li
/ol
In the following list I get the desired results in the browser but
does not validate,(The tag:div is not allowed within: ol):
ol type=A
lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li
div class=margin_left_minus_40px
h3Subheading/h3
/div
lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li
lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li
div class=margin_left_minus_40px
h3Subheading/h3
/div
lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li
lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li
/ol
I appreciate any advice,
Kevin
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RE: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
At 9/22/2009 08:43 AM, Kepler Gelotte wrote: ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol I find this solution problematic. Scrutinizing the markup, I would put a subhead at the beginning of the content it heads, not at the tail of whatever content precedes it. Semantically, if items d e deserve their own subhead, to what extent are they really part of the same list as a, b, c? They might be on the same nesting level, but are they really part of the same list? It would be interesting to see some of the actual content of this list to see why the original poster felt that all five items belong in one list. I guess the bottom line here is that today's HTML doesn't permit us to insert a headline into the middle of a list but gives us this solution: ol li ol li a /li li b /li li c /li /ol h3 subhead /h3 ol li d /li li e /li /ol /li /ol div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div Aside, is the div really necessary? Could not any necessary styling be applied to the h3 itself? If complicated markup is deemed necessary, for example because of multiple background images CSS3, I myself would rather nest structures inside the headline rather than hang them outside of it so as to reach for a greater semantic clarity. Also, I suggest you use class names that evoke the purpose of a structure and not its presentation. If your class names are going to be as explicit as margin_left_minus_40px then you're no better off than injecting style rules inline. Either way, if you change the graphic design you'll be changing your markup. In this particular example you likely don't need class names at all because you can specify the divs and h3s unambiguously from their position in the markup, e.g. ol.listName li h3 Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
This sounds like excellent advice. I am going to rethink my naming convention as well as the way this list needs to be broken up. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, Kevin -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Paul Novitski Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:51 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice At 9/22/2009 08:43 AM, Kepler Gelotte wrote: ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol I find this solution problematic. Scrutinizing the markup, I would put a subhead at the beginning of the content it heads, not at the tail of whatever content precedes it. Semantically, if items d e deserve their own subhead, to what extent are they really part of the same list as a, b, c? They might be on the same nesting level, but are they really part of the same list? It would be interesting to see some of the actual content of this list to see why the original poster felt that all five items belong in one list. I guess the bottom line here is that today's HTML doesn't permit us to insert a headline into the middle of a list but gives us this solution: ol li ol li a /li li b /li li c /li /ol h3 subhead /h3 ol li d /li li e /li /ol /li /ol div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div Aside, is the div really necessary? Could not any necessary styling be applied to the h3 itself? If complicated markup is deemed necessary, for example because of multiple background images CSS3, I myself would rather nest structures inside the headline rather than hang them outside of it so as to reach for a greater semantic clarity. Also, I suggest you use class names that evoke the purpose of a structure and not its presentation. If your class names are going to be as explicit as margin_left_minus_40px then you're no better off than injecting style rules inline. Either way, if you change the graphic design you'll be changing your markup. In this particular example you likely don't need class names at all because you can specify the divs and h3s unambiguously from their position in the markup, e.g. ol.listName li h3 Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] a table layout issue
It never occurs to me I cannot do something like this. I need each tr with borders and a margin-top to separate each tr, then a 5 pixel padding inside the tr so that the td's border doesn't touch the tr, but I can't get it working. http://lotusfromthemud.com/table/tr.html The image below the table is the exact layout I needed. Is this possible? tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts
Hi there I¹d just like to send a big thank you to Russ Weakley for taking the time to collate and send this to WSG Announce each week! I always find really interesting stuff there, and usually bookmark a couple of links from it. So, thanks Russ it¹s really appreciated! Cheers susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts
I second that. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown susi...@uq.edu.auwrote: Hi there I’d just like to send a big thank you to Russ Weakley for taking the time to collate and send this to WSG Announce each week! I always find really interesting stuff there, and usually bookmark a couple of links from it. So, thanks Russ – it’s really appreciated! Cheers susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Sent from Melbourne, Vic, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts
Here here! Thanks Russ Jeremy Cabral mobile: 0410 319 212 // skype: jeremycabral On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown susi...@uq.edu.auwrote: Hi there I’d just like to send a big thank you to Russ Weakley for taking the time to collate and send this to WSG Announce each week! I always find really interesting stuff there, and usually bookmark a couple of links from it. So, thanks Russ – it’s really appreciated! Cheers susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, nedlud wrote: I second that. On the other hand, after looking at a few of the links the first few times I received those messages, I now delete them unseen. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown susi...@uq.edu.auwrote: Hi there I?d just like to send a big thank you to Russ Weakley for taking the time to collate and send this to WSG Announce each week! I always find really interesting stuff there, and usually bookmark a couple of links from it. So, thanks Russ ? it?s really appreciated! -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts
Absoutely, I'll echo that. There are some real gems in there. Thanks, Russ. 2009/9/23 Susie Gardner-Brown susi...@uq.edu.au: Hi there I’d just like to send a big thank you to Russ Weakley for taking the time to collate and send this to WSG Announce each week! I always find really interesting stuff there, and usually bookmark a couple of links from it. So, thanks Russ – it’s really appreciated! Cheers susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts
me too! fabulous stuff Lisa Kerrigan | Manager Content User Experience www.business.vic.gov.au; www.diird.vic.gov.au ' +61 3 9651 9176 8 lisa.kerri...@diird.vic.gov.au Department of Innovation, Industry and Regional Development Level 31, 121 Exhibition Street, Melbourne, Victoria 3000. Chris F.A. Johnson ch...@cfajohnson To .com wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent by: cc li...@webstandard sgroup.orgSubject Re: [WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts 23/09/2009 03:15 PM Please respond to w...@webstandardsg roup.org On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, nedlud wrote: I second that. On the other hand, after looking at a few of the links the first few times I received those messages, I now delete them unseen. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown susi...@uq.edu.auwrote: Hi there I?d just like to send a big thank you to Russ Weakley for taking the time to collate and send this to WSG Announce each week! I always find really interesting stuff there, and usually bookmark a couple of links from it. So, thanks Russ ? it?s really appreciated! -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** * Department of Innovation, Industry and Regional Development,Government of Victoria, Victoria, Australia. This e-mail and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not distribute reproduce this e-mail the attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify us by return e-mail. *- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
