[WSG] playing with css

2010-01-19 Thread PurencoolGmail

hi webstandards group.

I have one question I can't seem to find and answer to
below is all my css in a document I have created. It is xhtml
transitional. My document works fine except when I
add float:left; to my content div. It will not stay in the
wrapper. I know that it must be a simple answer. I have tried reading
the W3C on floating but got loss. I am trying to get the div to sit nicely
next to menuB. Can someone explain why this is happening? =)




body {
background-image:url('images/back.gif');
color:#404040;
font-family:Verdana,Geneva,Arial,sans-serif;
font-size:.93em;
line-height:130%;
}

/*document container*/
#wrapper{
width:800px;
background-color:#ff;
margin-left: auto;
margin-right: auto;
padding: 5px;
}
/*end of document container*/
/*document structure*/
#heading{
width:100%;

}

#menuA{
width:100%;

}
#menuB{
width:25%;

}

#content{
width:70%;
float:left;
}

#footer{
   width:100%;

}


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Re: [WSG] playing with css

2010-01-19 Thread PurencoolGmail

Yes that is what I thought!
But if  I do that it makes it worse.
It does not matter how many
float lefts you place in to the css!

see the example attached.


On 20/01/10 12:08, David Laakso wrote:

PurencoolGmail wrote:

hi webstandards group.

I have one question I can't seem to find and answer to
below is all my css in a document I have created. It is xhtml
transitional. My document works fine except when I
add float:left; to my content div. It will not stay in the
wrapper. I know that it must be a simple answer. I have tried reading
the W3C on floating but got loss. I am trying to get the div to sit 
nicely

next to menuB. Can someone explain why this is happening? =)








Add float: left; to #menuB?


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RE: [WSG] playing with css

2010-01-19 Thread Jens-Uwe Korff
 I have one question I can't seem to find and answer to below is all 
 my css in a document I have created. It is xhtml transitional. 

Do you have a (temporary) link so we can have a look?

Cheers,

Jens 

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RE: [WSG] playing with css

2010-01-19 Thread Thierry Koblentz
 I have one question I can't seem to find and answer to
 below is all my css in a document I have created. It is xhtml
 transitional. My document works fine except when I
 add float:left; to my content div. It will not stay in the
 wrapper. I know that it must be a simple answer. I have tried reading
 the W3C on floating but got loss. I am trying to get the div to sit nicely
 next to menuB. Can someone explain why this is happening? =)


Try: 
#wrapper {overflow:hidden;}


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Re: [WSG] playing with css

2010-01-19 Thread PurencoolGmail

http://www.purencool.com/_webdata/downloads/templates/twoColumn/

On 20/01/10 13:20, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote:

I have one question I can't seem to find and answer to below is all
my css in a document I have created. It is xhtml transitional.
   

Do you have a (temporary) link so we can have a look?

Cheers,

Jens

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Re: [WSG] playing with css

2010-01-19 Thread PurencoolGmail

Wow That work but why?

On 20/01/10 13:34, Thierry Koblentz wrote:

I have one question I can't seem to find and answer to
below is all my css in a document I have created. It is xhtml
transitional. My document works fine except when I
add float:left; to my content div. It will not stay in the
wrapper. I know that it must be a simple answer. I have tried reading
the W3C on floating but got loss. I am trying to get the div to sit nicely
next to menuB. Can someone explain why this is happening? =)
 


Try:
#wrapper {overflow:hidden;}


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Re: [WSG] playing with css

2010-01-19 Thread David Laakso

PurencoolGmail wrote:

http://www.purencool.com/_webdata/downloads/templates/twoColumn/






body {
background-color : #ccc;
color : #00;
font-family : Verdana, Geneva, Arial, sans-serif;
font-size : 0.93em;
line-height : 130%;
}
#wrapper {
width : 800px;
background-color : #ff;
margin-left : auto;
margin-right : auto;
padding : 5px;
}
#heading {
width : 100%;
}
#menuA {
border-top : 1px solid red;
border-bottom : 1px solid red;
width : 100%;
}
#menuA li {
border-top : 1px solid red;
border-bottom : 1px solid red;
display : inline;
}
#menuB {
width : 25%;
float : left;
}
#content {
width : 70%;
float : left;
}
#footer {
clear : both;
width : 100%;
}
#footer ul {
border-top : 1px solid red;
border-bottom : 1px solid red;
width : 100%;
}
#footer ul li {
display : inline;
border-top : 1px solid red;
border-bottom : 1px solid red;
width : 100%;
}



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Re: [WSG] playing with css

2010-01-19 Thread PurencoolGmail

clear : both;  that worked as well thanks

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clear : both; 



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RE: [WSG] playing with css

2010-01-19 Thread Thierry Koblentz
 Wow That work but why?


http://tjkdesign.com/articles/clearing-floats_and_block-formatting_context.a
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Re: [WSG] playing with css

2010-01-19 Thread David Laakso

PurencoolGmail wrote:

clear : both;  that worked as well thanks

On 20/01/10 14:05, David Laakso wrote:
clear : both; 






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http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/


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[WSG] Regarding the loss of a web accessibility leader

2010-01-19 Thread Russ Weakley

Hi all,

Mike Cherim let me know earlier than Jack Pickard, web accessibility  
leader  and Team Access member passed away very recently, succumbing  
to a heart attack (at a young age, leaving behind a young family). He  
will be sadly missed by the accessibility community.


Mike also passed on some relevant posts for those who want find out  
more or leave a comment about Jack:


http://www.iancuddy.com/2010/01/17/jack-pickard-remembered/
http://accessites.org/site/2010/01/well-miss-you-jack/
http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/201001/football-gossip-if-in-doubt-make-something-up/ 



Thanks
Russ




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[WSG] vallidation nightmares

2010-01-19 Thread Marvin Hunkin
hi.
using the we3 c vallidator.
and not liking my xhtml code.
and usign the jaws for windows screen reader.
and reading me all the elements like i
so not sure what is happening.
trying to vallidate .
but the vallidator is being real picky.
i know my code is correct.
now can any one help me out to fix these problems.
got the first page vallidated and that was the copyright page.
now up to the credits page.
not liking the div element for some reason.
please help me out.
and also did some one saying no br / inside an ul element for a list.
well how to code it so when reading by paragraph which i use control down 
arrow.
then want to hear the heading.
then a blank.
and then the list which tells me list of 10 items.
then i want to hear the first item on the next line.
and the end of the list.
want to hear the word list on its own line.
please help me out.
getting real annoyed and frustrated.
and hate this site.
they have redesigned it, so to make it harder for the blind person.
a couple times trying to use the alt left arrow to go back to revallidate 
and the stupid site would not let me so had to type the address to go back 
in.
if there are any more screen reader frendly and easy to use vallidators let 
me know.
been at least 6 months since i visted this site and was more screen reader 
friendly.
i hate that when they redesign it.
and do not take the blind into consideration.
okay that's my beef for today.
now will poste the code of the vallidated output and my file code below.
cheers Marvin.

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C:\Docs\Tafe\CertificateFourWebsites\CertFour\PrinciplesOfVisualDesign\PrinciplesOfVisualDesign\html\credits.html

Encoding: iso-8859-1  (detect automatically) utf-8 (Unicode, worldwide) 
utf-16 (Unicode, worldwide) iso-8859-1 (Western Europe) iso-8859-2 (Central 
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(Cyrillic) iso-8859-6-i (Arabic) iso-8859-7 (Greek) iso-8859-8 (Hebrew, 
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(Latin 6) iso-8859-11 (Latin/Thai) iso-8859-13 (Latin 7, Baltic Rim) 
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us-ascii (basic English) euc-jp (Japanese, Unix) shift_jis (Japanese, 
Win/Mac) iso-2022-jp (Japanese, email) euc-kr (Korean) gb2312 (Chinese, 
simplified) gb18030 (Chinese, simplified) big5 (Chinese, traditional) 
Big5-HKSCS (Chinese, Hong Kong) tis-620 (Thai) koi8-r (Russian) koi8-u 
(Ukrainian) iso-ir-111 (Cyrillic KOI-8) macintosh (MacRoman) windows-1250 
(Central Europe) windows-1251 (Cyrillic) windows-1252 (Western Europe) 
windows-1253 (Greek) windows-1254 (Turkish) windows-1255 (Hebrew) 
windows-1256 (Arabic) windows-1257 (Baltic Rim)
Doctype: XHTML 1.0 Transitional  (detect automatically) HTML5 (experimental) 
XHTML 1.0 Strict XHTML 1.0 Transitional XHTML 1.0 Frameset HTML 4.01 Strict 
HTML 4.01 Transitional HTML 4.01 Frameset HTML 3.2 HTML 2.0 ISO/IEC 
15445:2000 (ISO HTML) XHTML 1.1 XHTML + RDFa XHTML Basic 1.0 XHTML Basic 
1.1 XHTML Mobile Profile 1.2 XHTML-Print 1.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 XHTML 
1.1 plus MathML 2.0 plus SVG 1.1 MathML 2.0 SVG 1.0 SVG 1.1 SVG 1.1 Tiny SVG 
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 Line 22, Column 6: document type does not allow element br here; assuming 
missing li start-tag
br /?
 Line 37, Column 6: end tag for li omitted, but OMITTAG NO was specified
/div?
You may have neglected to close an element, or perhaps you meant to 
self-close an element, that is, ending it with / instead of .
 Line 22: start tag was here
br / Line 37, Column 6: end tag for ul omitted, but OMITTAG NO was 
specified
/div?
You may have neglected to close an element, or perhaps you meant to 
self-close an element, that is, ending it with / instead of .
 Line 21: start tag was here
ul Line 42, Column 6: document type does not allow element br here; 
assuming missing li start-tag
br /?
 Line 44, Column 4: document type does not allow element li here; missing 
one of ul, ol, menu, dir start-tag
li a href=http://www.mikelevin.com;Mike Levin's Photo Gallery/a/li?
The mentioned element is not allowed to appear in the context in which 
you've placed it; the other mentioned elements are the only ones that are 
both allowed there and can contain the element mentioned. This 

[WSG] history page vallidation

2010-01-19 Thread Marvin Hunkin
hi.
cannot seem to fix the errors.
sorry for being a pain.
but been a while since i have ballidated.
cannot seem to figure why it is not liking it.
tried two or three times.
will paste the vallidation and the html markup below.
marvin.

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C:\Docs\Tafe\CertificateFourWebsites\CertFour\PrinciplesOfVisualDesign\PrinciplesOfVisualDesign\html\history.html

Encoding: iso-8859-1  (detect automatically) utf-8 (Unicode, worldwide) 
utf-16 (Unicode, worldwide) iso-8859-1 (Western Europe) iso-8859-2 (Central 
Europe) iso-8859-3 (Southern Europe) iso-8859-4 (North European) iso-8859-5 
(Cyrillic) iso-8859-6-i (Arabic) iso-8859-7 (Greek) iso-8859-8 (Hebrew, 
visual) iso-8859-8-i (Hebrew, logical) iso-8859-9 (Turkish) iso-8859-10 
(Latin 6) iso-8859-11 (Latin/Thai) iso-8859-13 (Latin 7, Baltic Rim) 
iso-8859-14 (Latin 8, Celtic) iso-8859-15 (Latin 9) iso-8859-16 (Latin 10) 
us-ascii (basic English) euc-jp (Japanese, Unix) shift_jis (Japanese, 
Win/Mac) iso-2022-jp (Japanese, email) euc-kr (Korean) gb2312 (Chinese, 
simplified) gb18030 (Chinese, simplified) big5 (Chinese, traditional) 
Big5-HKSCS (Chinese, Hong Kong) tis-620 (Thai) koi8-r (Russian) koi8-u 
(Ukrainian) iso-ir-111 (Cyrillic KOI-8) macintosh (MacRoman) windows-1250 
(Central Europe) windows-1251 (Cyrillic) windows-1252 (Western Europe) 
windows-1253 (Greek) windows-1254 (Turkish) windows-1255 (Hebrew) 
windows-1256 (Arabic) windows-1257 (Baltic Rim)
Doctype: XHTML 1.0 Transitional  (detect automatically) HTML5 (experimental) 
XHTML 1.0 Strict XHTML 1.0 Transitional XHTML 1.0 Frameset HTML 4.01 Strict 
HTML 4.01 Transitional HTML 4.01 Frameset HTML 3.2 HTML 2.0 ISO/IEC 
15445:2000 (ISO HTML) XHTML 1.1 XHTML + RDFa XHTML Basic 1.0 XHTML Basic 
1.1 XHTML Mobile Profile 1.2 XHTML-Print 1.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 XHTML 
1.1 plus MathML 2.0 plus SVG 1.1 MathML 2.0 SVG 1.0 SVG 1.1 SVG 1.1 Tiny SVG 
1.1 Basic SMIL 1.0 SMIL 2.0
Root Element: html
Root Namespace: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

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Validation Output: 2 Errors
 Line 32, Column 6: document type does not allow element br here; assuming 
missing li start-tag
br /?
 Line 34, Column 5: end tag for li omitted, but OMITTAG NO was specified
/ul?
You may have neglected to close an element, or perhaps you meant to 
self-close an element, that is, ending it with / instead of .
 Line 32: start tag was here
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 meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 /
titleJoe's History Page/title
link href=../styles/joe_style.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css /
/head
body
div id=wrapper
div id=banner_new
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[WSG] index page vallidation

2010-01-19 Thread Marvin Hunkin
hi.
can you help me out.
marvin.

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C:\Docs\Tafe\CertificateFourWebsites\CertFour\PrinciplesOfVisualDesign\PrinciplesOfVisualDesign\html\index.html

Encoding: iso-8859-1  (detect automatically) utf-8 (Unicode, worldwide) 
utf-16 (Unicode, worldwide) iso-8859-1 (Western Europe) iso-8859-2 (Central 
Europe) iso-8859-3 (Southern Europe) iso-8859-4 (North European) iso-8859-5 
(Cyrillic) iso-8859-6-i (Arabic) iso-8859-7 (Greek) iso-8859-8 (Hebrew, 
visual) iso-8859-8-i (Hebrew, logical) iso-8859-9 (Turkish) iso-8859-10 
(Latin 6) iso-8859-11 (Latin/Thai) iso-8859-13 (Latin 7, Baltic Rim) 
iso-8859-14 (Latin 8, Celtic) iso-8859-15 (Latin 9) iso-8859-16 (Latin 10) 
us-ascii (basic English) euc-jp (Japanese, Unix) shift_jis (Japanese, 
Win/Mac) iso-2022-jp (Japanese, email) euc-kr (Korean) gb2312 (Chinese, 
simplified) gb18030 (Chinese, simplified) big5 (Chinese, traditional) 
Big5-HKSCS (Chinese, Hong Kong) tis-620 (Thai) koi8-r (Russian) koi8-u 
(Ukrainian) iso-ir-111 (Cyrillic KOI-8) macintosh (MacRoman) windows-1250 
(Central Europe) windows-1251 (Cyrillic) windows-1252 (Western Europe) 
windows-1253 (Greek) windows-1254 (Turkish) windows-1255 (Hebrew) 
windows-1256 (Arabic) windows-1257 (Baltic Rim)
Doctype: XHTML 1.0 Transitional  (detect automatically) HTML5 (experimental) 
XHTML 1.0 Strict XHTML 1.0 Transitional XHTML 1.0 Frameset HTML 4.01 Strict 
HTML 4.01 Transitional HTML 4.01 Frameset HTML 3.2 HTML 2.0 ISO/IEC 
15445:2000 (ISO HTML) XHTML 1.1 XHTML + RDFa XHTML Basic 1.0 XHTML Basic 
1.1 XHTML Mobile Profile 1.2 XHTML-Print 1.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 XHTML 
1.1 plus MathML 2.0 plus SVG 1.1 MathML 2.0 SVG 1.0 SVG 1.1 SVG 1.1 Tiny SVG 
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Validation Output: 8 Errors
 Line 32, Column 12: document type does not allow element br here; 
assuming missing li start-tag
  br /?
 Line 34, Column 15: end tag for li omitted, but OMITTAG NO was specified
  /ul?
You may have neglected to close an element, or perhaps you meant to 
self-close an element, that is, ending it with / instead of .
 Line 32, Column 6: start tag was here
  br / Line 74, Column 7: document type does not allow element p 
here; missing one of object, applet, map, iframe, button, ins, 
del start-tag
p© All Rights Reserved Joe's Fruit Shop PTY. LTD. 2009./p?
The mentioned element is not allowed to appear in the context in which 
you've placed it; the other mentioned elements are the only ones that are 
both allowed there and can contain the element mentioned. This might mean 
that you need a containing element, or possibly that you've forgotten to 
close a previous element.

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 Line 75, Column 8: end tag for p omitted, but OMITTAG NO was specified
  /div?
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self-close an element, that is, ending it with / instead of .
 Line 73, Column 4: start tag was here
p style=clear:both; Line 75, Column 8: XML Parsing Error: Opening 
and ending tag mismatch: p line 73 and div
  /div?
 Line 77, Column 7: XML Parsing Error: Opening and ending tag mismatch: div 
line 9 and body
/body?
 Line 78, Column 7: XML Parsing Error: Opening and ending tag mismatch: body 
line 8 and html
/html?
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titleJoe's Fruit and Vegetable Shop/title
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Re: [WSG] index page vallidation

2010-01-19 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

 can you help me out.

   Possibly -- if you post a URL.

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Re: [WSG] vallidation nightmares

2010-01-19 Thread Doug Burt
Marvin, Please remember to send us the url of the page you're having trouble 
with so that we can look at it. Don't assume that the list members keep a 
list of everyone's pages handy so that we can just jump up and go help them 
at the drop of a hat. Without including the right url, everytime you have an 
inquiry, we're lost. As for W3C's validator, it's not being picky, it's 
trying to teach you to use complete and finished coding so that you're sites 
pages will appear great in browser's people use, whether or not it uses JAWS 
or other assistive technology to do so...

Cheers,
DougB

- Original Message - 
From: Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:10 PM
Subject: [WSG] vallidation nightmares



   hi.
using the we3 c vallidator.
and not liking my xhtml code.
and usign the jaws for windows screen reader.
and reading me all the elements like i
so not sure what is happening.
trying to vallidate .
but the vallidator is being real picky.
i know my code is correct.
now can any one help me out to fix these problems.
got the first page vallidated and that was the copyright page.
now up to the credits page.
not liking the div element for some reason.
please help me out.
and also did some one saying no br / inside an ul element for a list.
well how to code it so when reading by paragraph which i use control down
arrow.
then want to hear the heading.
then a blank.
and then the list which tells me list of 10 items.
then i want to hear the first item on the next line.
and the end of the list.
want to hear the word list on its own line.
please help me out.
getting real annoyed and frustrated.
and hate this site.
they have redesigned it, so to make it harder for the blind person.
a couple times trying to use the alt left arrow to go back to revallidate
and the stupid site would not let me so had to type the address to go back
in.
if there are any more screen reader frendly and easy to use vallidators 
let

me know.
been at least 6 months since i visted this site and was more screen reader
friendly.
i hate that when they redesign it.
and do not take the blind into consideration.
okay that's my beef for today.
now will poste the code of the vallidated output and my file code below.
cheers Marvin.





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[WSG] links page validation

2010-01-19 Thread Marvin Hunkin
hi.
sorry to bother.
but got the same errors. 




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RE: [WSG] index page vallidation

2010-01-19 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi Marvin,

You have br elements that are children of the list.
You need to remove these from there. You cannot have anything between List
Items (LI)
 
Start by fixing this and then revalidate. 


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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:58 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] index page vallidation

hi.
can you help me out.
marvin.

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Result: 8 Errors
File:
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C:\Docs\Tafe\CertificateFourWebsites\CertFour\PrinciplesOfVisualDesign\Princ
iplesOfVisualDesign\html\index.html

Encoding: iso-8859-1  (detect automatically) utf-8 (Unicode, worldwide) 
utf-16 (Unicode, worldwide) iso-8859-1 (Western Europe) iso-8859-2 (Central 
Europe) iso-8859-3 (Southern Europe) iso-8859-4 (North European) iso-8859-5 
(Cyrillic) iso-8859-6-i (Arabic) iso-8859-7 (Greek) iso-8859-8 (Hebrew, 
visual) iso-8859-8-i (Hebrew, logical) iso-8859-9 (Turkish) iso-8859-10 
(Latin 6) iso-8859-11 (Latin/Thai) iso-8859-13 (Latin 7, Baltic Rim) 
iso-8859-14 (Latin 8, Celtic) iso-8859-15 (Latin 9) iso-8859-16 (Latin 10) 
us-ascii (basic English) euc-jp (Japanese, Unix) shift_jis (Japanese, 
Win/Mac) iso-2022-jp (Japanese, email) euc-kr (Korean) gb2312 (Chinese, 
simplified) gb18030 (Chinese, simplified) big5 (Chinese, traditional) 
Big5-HKSCS (Chinese, Hong Kong) tis-620 (Thai) koi8-r (Russian) koi8-u 
(Ukrainian) iso-ir-111 (Cyrillic KOI-8) macintosh (MacRoman) windows-1250 
(Central Europe) windows-1251 (Cyrillic) windows-1252 (Western Europe) 
windows-1253 (Greek) windows-1254 (Turkish) windows-1255 (Hebrew) 
windows-1256 (Arabic) windows-1257 (Baltic Rim)
Doctype: XHTML 1.0 Transitional  (detect automatically) HTML5 (experimental)

XHTML 1.0 Strict XHTML 1.0 Transitional XHTML 1.0 Frameset HTML 4.01 Strict 
HTML 4.01 Transitional HTML 4.01 Frameset HTML 3.2 HTML 2.0 ISO/IEC 
15445:2000 (ISO HTML) XHTML 1.1 XHTML + RDFa XHTML Basic 1.0 XHTML Basic 
1.1 XHTML Mobile Profile 1.2 XHTML-Print 1.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 XHTML

1.1 plus MathML 2.0 plus SVG 1.1 MathML 2.0 SVG 1.0 SVG 1.1 SVG 1.1 Tiny SVG

1.1 Basic SMIL 1.0 SMIL 2.0
Root Element: html
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Validation Output: 8 Errors
 Line 32, Column 12: document type does not allow element br here; 
assuming missing li start-tag
  br /?
 Line 34, Column 15: end tag for li omitted, but OMITTAG NO was specified
  /ul?
You may have neglected to close an element, or perhaps you meant to 
self-close an element, that is, ending it with / instead of .
 Line 32, Column 6: start tag was here
  br / Line 74, Column 7: document type does not allow element p 
here; missing one of object, applet, map, iframe, button, ins, 
del start-tag
pC All Rights Reserved Joe's Fruit Shop PTY. LTD. 2009./p?
The mentioned element is not allowed to appear in the context in which 
you've placed it; the other mentioned elements are the only ones that are 
both allowed there and can contain the element mentioned. This might mean 
that you need a containing element, or possibly that you've forgotten to 
close a previous element.

One possible cause for this message is that you have attempted to put a 
block-level element (such as p or table) inside an inline element 
(such as a, span, or font).
 Line 75, Column 8: end tag for p omitted, but OMITTAG NO was specified
  /div?
You may have neglected to close an element, or perhaps you meant to 
self-close an element, that is, ending it with / instead of .
 Line 73, Column 4: start tag was here
p style=clear:both; Line 75, Column 8: XML Parsing Error: Opening 
and ending tag mismatch: p line 73 and div
  /div?
 Line 77, Column 7: XML Parsing Error: Opening and ending tag mismatch: div 
line 9 and body
/body?
 Line 78, Column 7: XML Parsing Error: Opening and ending tag mismatch: body

line 8 and html
/html?
 Line 78, Column 7: XML Parsing Error: Premature end of data in tag html 
line 2
/html?
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