Re: [WSG] Background music on web pages
Thanks to all who have replied. As far as don't do it goes, you're preaching to the converted here, but I don't seem to be able to get the message through to my clients. The clients in question are a committee (first problem!), who all say Oh, I know nothing about computers/the internet but at the same time refuse to be guided. Referring them to usability articles is a non-starter, because they'll just not look at them. I've tried reducing the arguments to very basic, non-technical issues, but my powers of persuasion are apparently lacking. Given that I can't afford to turn down the work, I'll take on board the points folk have made here and promise to do the least-awful job on it I can! Thanks again. Lesley Brett Goulder wrote: I would just point your client to some usability articles and educate them why background music is very bad. My 2 cents would be to just not do it. http://completeusability.com/regrettable-background-music/ Bruce P wrote: Smal player and an off button one can find immediately is a prerequisite :) Bruce - Original Message - From: Lesley Lutomski ubu...@webaflame.co.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:50 AM Subject: [WSG] Background music on web pages Hi all, I apologise if this is off-topic, but I'd really appreciate some advice. I have clients who insist they want background music on their Web site. I've tried to dissuade them, but without success. What is the most acceptable/least intrusive method of doing this? UK licensing requirements differ depending on whether the music is downloadable or not, so I need to sort out the method in order to advise them on the licences. I'm still hoping the complexities of the licensing system will succeed where I've failed and put them off the whole notion, but in case not, I'd be most grateful for some input here. Thank you. Lesley *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Background music on web pages
You could say that you're legally only allowed to play the first 30 seconds Like iTunes otherwise there will be big licensing fees. This is a damage-control situation as the attention span of someone on a page with midi blaring at them will be 2 secs. Alternatively you could say What if the user has their speakers off or muted? A button to turn on the sound will let them know they can listen. If they say Well their loss you can ask why they are doing it in the first place. Try phrasing your arguments so that they can do something else rather than they can't do what they're doing. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Lesley Lutomski ubu...@webaflame.co.uk wrote: Thanks to all who have replied. As far as don't do it goes, you're preaching to the converted here, but I don't seem to be able to get the message through to my clients. The clients in question are a committee (first problem!), who all say Oh, I know nothing about computers/the internet but at the same time refuse to be guided. Referring them to usability articles is a non-starter, because they'll just not look at them. I've tried reducing the arguments to very basic, non-technical issues, but my powers of persuasion are apparently lacking. Given that I can't afford to turn down the work, I'll take on board the points folk have made here and promise to do the least-awful job on it I can! Thanks again. Lesley Brett Goulder wrote: I would just point your client to some usability articles and educate them why background music is very bad. My 2 cents would be to just not do it. http://completeusability.com/regrettable-background-music/ Bruce P wrote: Smal player and an off button one can find immediately is a prerequisite :) Bruce - Original Message - From: Lesley Lutomski ubu...@webaflame.co.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:50 AM Subject: [WSG] Background music on web pages Hi all, I apologise if this is off-topic, but I'd really appreciate some advice. I have clients who insist they want background music on their Web site. I've tried to dissuade them, but without success. What is the most acceptable/least intrusive method of doing this? UK licensing requirements differ depending on whether the music is downloadable or not, so I need to sort out the method in order to advise them on the licences. I'm still hoping the complexities of the licensing system will succeed where I've failed and put them off the whole notion, but in case not, I'd be most grateful for some input here. Thank you. Lesley *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Background music on web pages
Annother option is highlighting the numbers to highlight the distraction it places on what the clients are wanting the users to do in the first place. (i.e. photography web site - lk at pictures, the gallery, album services and make an order) Instead of having 100% of the audience see the advert for new products, news or the phone number (order form) to call; a large portion are too busy trying to find the STOP button or leave the page reducing the web sites productivity and potential buying audience. I'd even think this may cut into the 50% range of the audience leaving those nt distracted and with music turned off. It can also make for slow download older browser issues. Do check what existing web users are using and doing as well. William Donovan - (from his Google android phone) On 01/03/2010 7:38 AM, William Parry williampa...@gmail.com wrote: You could say that you're legally only allowed to play the first 30 seconds Like iTunes otherwise there will be big licensing fees. This is a damage-control situation as the attention span of someone on a page with midi blaring at them will be 2 secs. Alternatively you could say What if the user has their speakers off or muted? A button to turn on the sound will let them know they can listen. If they say Well their loss you can ask why they are doing it in the first place. Try phrasing your arguments so that they can do something else rather than they can't do what they're doing. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Lesley Lutomski ubu...@webaflame.co.uk wrote: Thanks to all who... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Background music on web pages
Hi Lesley, On 1 March 2010 00:55, Lesley Lutomski ubu...@webaflame.co.uk wrote: Thanks to all who have replied. The clients in question are a committee (first problem!), who all say Oh, I know nothing about computers/the internet but at the same time refuse to be guided. Referring them to usability articles is a non-starter, because they'll just not look at them. I've tried reducing the arguments to very basic, non-technical issues, but my powers of persuasion are apparently lacking. Maybe they need a real world example. Next meeting you have with the committee, before they arrive, hide a couple of portable stereos in your reception. Have them playing 'pleasant' music, simultaneously. Let them wait a little while before you bring them into the meeting room where you have more music playing – don’t switch it off before they ask you to :-) Given that I can't afford to turn down the work, I'll take on board the points folk have made here and promise to do the least-awful job on it I can! Make the point that you are in the business of building websites which leave a positive impression on the visitors and it would be negligent on your part; to not point out the cons of music on a page. Where the music is not the primary subject of the content anyway. Failing that…I have not tried it - but something like this appears to provide the control you would want to STOP the music: http://www.happyworm.com/jquery/jplayer/ Perhaps if you added a mouseenter/focus event to a large portion of the page which would switch it off. Once you know the visitor has had enough of the 'ambience' of the site and is ready to learn more… Good luck! Ollie @ollicle *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor
I haven't had much of a look at the new CKEditor version but I was mightily impressed with the initial glance I had at it when he first released it. It looks like a *major* improvement on the original fckeditor. Cleaner code, more accessible and easier, cleaner ability to add plugins. If I was starting a new project that required a WYSWYG editor this would most certainly be the first on my list to evaluate. I've spent the last couple of years wrestling with tinymce which used to be my editor of choice until I had to start writing proper plugins for it. It was an impressive offering 4-5 years ago and as a straight 'drop in' product it's still amazing, but given the leaps and bounds javascript has made in the last couple of years I simply can't recommend it anymore with a clear conscience. If you do know your way around javascript you'll find hacking tinymce to do what you want a frustrating experience. If you don't know your way around javascript then basically you won't be able to hack around under the hood of tinymce at all. The only other editor I've looked at recently that I thought I'd be interested in was wymditor (http://www.wymeditor.org/) which is a 'what you see is what you mean' editor and may not be what some people require, but it is built on jquery (which should theoretically make extending it easier) and it does look quite nicely and cleanly done. Hope some of that helps. (Hi to the mailing list by the way, this is my first post since I joined, look forward to engaging with you all) Cheers, Sam Dwyer Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Background music on web pages
You may want to take a look at the WCAG guidelineshttp://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#visual-audio-contrast-dis-audioabout audio playing on a website, says there should be an easy mechanism to stop/pause the audio if it runs longer than 3 seconds. --Ryan On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Oliver Boermans boerm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lesley, On 1 March 2010 00:55, Lesley Lutomski ubu...@webaflame.co.uk wrote: Thanks to all who have replied. The clients in question are a committee (first problem!), who all say Oh, I know nothing about computers/the internet but at the same time refuse to be guided. Referring them to usability articles is a non-starter, because they'll just not look at them. I've tried reducing the arguments to very basic, non-technical issues, but my powers of persuasion are apparently lacking. Maybe they need a real world example. Next meeting you have with the committee, before they arrive, hide a couple of portable stereos in your reception. Have them playing 'pleasant' music, simultaneously. Let them wait a little while before you bring them into the meeting room where you have more music playing – don’t switch it off before they ask you to :-) Given that I can't afford to turn down the work, I'll take on board the points folk have made here and promise to do the least-awful job on it I can! Make the point that you are in the business of building websites which leave a positive impression on the visitors and it would be negligent on your part; to not point out the cons of music on a page. Where the music is not the primary subject of the content anyway. Failing that…I have not tried it - but something like this appears to provide the control you would want to STOP the music: http://www.happyworm.com/jquery/jplayer/ Perhaps if you added a mouseenter/focus event to a large portion of the page which would switch it off. Once you know the visitor has had enough of the 'ambience' of the site and is ready to learn more… Good luck! Ollie @ollicle *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Background music on web pages
I have no doubt she is well-aware that this is a bad thing. I feel this is more to do with client management. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Ryan Seddon seddon.r...@gmail.com wrote: You may want to take a look at the WCAG guidelines about audio playing on a website, says there should be an easy mechanism to stop/pause the audio if it runs longer than 3 seconds. --Ryan On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Oliver Boermans boerm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lesley, On 1 March 2010 00:55, Lesley Lutomski ubu...@webaflame.co.uk wrote: Thanks to all who have replied. The clients in question are a committee (first problem!), who all say Oh, I know nothing about computers/the internet but at the same time refuse to be guided. Referring them to usability articles is a non-starter, because they'll just not look at them. I've tried reducing the arguments to very basic, non-technical issues, but my powers of persuasion are apparently lacking. Maybe they need a real world example. Next meeting you have with the committee, before they arrive, hide a couple of portable stereos in your reception. Have them playing 'pleasant' music, simultaneously. Let them wait a little while before you bring them into the meeting room where you have more music playing – don’t switch it off before they ask you to :-) Given that I can't afford to turn down the work, I'll take on board the points folk have made here and promise to do the least-awful job on it I can! Make the point that you are in the business of building websites which leave a positive impression on the visitors and it would be negligent on your part; to not point out the cons of music on a page. Where the music is not the primary subject of the content anyway. Failing that…I have not tried it - but something like this appears to provide the control you would want to STOP the music: http://www.happyworm.com/jquery/jplayer/ Perhaps if you added a mouseenter/focus event to a large portion of the page which would switch it off. Once you know the visitor has had enough of the 'ambience' of the site and is ready to learn more… Good luck! Ollie @ollicle *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Background music on web pages
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Re: [WSG] Background music on web pages
HI On 28/02/2010 6:18 PM, Brett Goulder wrote: I would just point your client to some usability articles and educate them why background music is very bad. although I tend to hate background music, even when it was in vogue way back when There are valid accessibility reason for playing sound files on page load. On one project i'm starting work on we are working with what UNESCO tends to refer to as a lesser used language on the internet. A lot of information needs to presented, but we also need to take into account mother language literacy levels, which are quite low in the target communities. So need to for usability and accessibility reasons to look at non-textual alternatives to textual material. So options to enable the playing of audio on page load is quite useful. Doesn't get around that problem of site navigation, maybe sound snippets and icons may help, but rendering complex semantics into small icons can be difficult if not impossible. This project has definitely shown me how much the web is mired in a literate model, and am stuggling with how to adapt to a model based on orality rather than literacy. My 2 cents would be to just not do it. for music I'd agree, for other purposes http://completeusability.com/regrettable-background-music/ Bruce P wrote: Smal player and an off button one can find immediately is a prerequisite :) Bruce - Original Message - From: Lesley Lutomski ubu...@webaflame.co.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:50 AM Subject: [WSG] Background music on web pages Hi all, I apologise if this is off-topic, but I'd really appreciate some advice. I have clients who insist they want background music on their Web site. I've tried to dissuade them, but without success. What is the most acceptable/least intrusive method of doing this? UK licensing requirements differ depending on whether the music is downloadable or not, so I need to sort out the method in order to advise them on the licences. I'm still hoping the complexities of the licensing system will succeed where I've failed and put them off the whole notion, but in case not, I'd be most grateful for some input here. Thank you. Lesley *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Andrew Cunningham Senior Project Manager, Research and Development Vicnet State Library of Victoria 328 Swanston Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Ph: +61-3-8664-7430 Fax: +61-3-9639-2175 Email: andr...@vicnet.net.au Alt email: lang.supp...@gmail.com http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/ http://www.openroad.net.au http://www.vicnet.net.au http://www.slv.vic.gov.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***attachment: andrewc.vcf
Re: [WSG] Background music on web pages
Hi Give them all the background information that people have listed here. WCAG, usability info etc. If they still decide they want it, do as the client instructs. Make sure you code in a simple off switch configuration option into the site and when they want to change it, turn it off while counting to 10 backwards. Sometimes clients are like that episode of the Simpsons when Bart repeatedly burns his hand on the stove. You could also try doing an A/B test and provide some results to them for sound / no sound -- traffic, clicks, time on site etc. see: http://www.usertesting.com/. Cheers James On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Andrew Cunningham andr...@vicnet.net.auwrote: HI On 28/02/2010 6:18 PM, Brett Goulder wrote: I would just point your client to some usability articles and educate them why background music is very bad. although I tend to hate background music, even when it was in vogue way back when There are valid accessibility reason for playing sound files on page load. On one project i'm starting work on we are working with what UNESCO tends to refer to as a lesser used language on the internet. A lot of information needs to presented, but we also need to take into account mother language literacy levels, which are quite low in the target communities. So need to for usability and accessibility reasons to look at non-textual alternatives to textual material. So options to enable the playing of audio on page load is quite useful. Doesn't get around that problem of site navigation, maybe sound snippets and icons may help, but rendering complex semantics into small icons can be difficult if not impossible. This project has definitely shown me how much the web is mired in a literate model, and am stuggling with how to adapt to a model based on orality rather than literacy. My 2 cents would be to just not do it. for music I'd agree, for other purposes http://completeusability.com/regrettable-background-music/ Bruce P wrote: Smal player and an off button one can find immediately is a prerequisite :) Bruce - Original Message - From: Lesley Lutomski ubu...@webaflame.co.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:50 AM Subject: [WSG] Background music on web pages Hi all, I apologise if this is off-topic, but I'd really appreciate some advice. I have clients who insist they want background music on their Web site. I've tried to dissuade them, but without success. What is the most acceptable/least intrusive method of doing this? UK licensing requirements differ depending on whether the music is downloadable or not, so I need to sort out the method in order to advise them on the licences. I'm still hoping the complexities of the licensing system will succeed where I've failed and put them off the whole notion, but in case not, I'd be most grateful for some input here. Thank you. Lesley *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Andrew Cunningham Senior Project Manager, Research and Development Vicnet State Library of Victoria 328 Swanston Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Ph: +61-3-8664-7430 Fax: +61-3-9639-2175 Email: andr...@vicnet.net.au Alt email: lang.supp...@gmail.com http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/http://home.vicnet.net.au/%7Eandrewc/ http://www.openroad.net.au http://www.vicnet.net.au http://www.slv.vic.gov.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Background music on web pages
Regardless of how you implement this, I'd advise running away once the money clears. Also make sure they pay *lots* for maintenance on the site. Don't get caught out when they get told by somebody else that their site sucks because it's got music in it. I also wouldn't put such a job in my portfolio, nor put my name on the site in any visible way. You have *your* reputation to consider. In fact, unless you really need this job, I'd seriously consider walking away. A client that dictates their terms like this is typically far more trouble than they are worth, in my experience. Good luck, L. On 1 March 2010 13:10, James Ellis james.el...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Give them all the background information that people have listed here. WCAG, usability info etc. If they still decide they want it, do as the client instructs. Make sure you code in a simple off switch configuration option into the site and when they want to change it, turn it off while counting to 10 backwards. Sometimes clients are like that episode of the Simpsons when Bart repeatedly burns his hand on the stove. You could also try doing an A/B test and provide some results to them for sound / no sound -- traffic, clicks, time on site etc. see: http://www.usertesting.com/. Cheers James On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Andrew Cunningham andr...@vicnet.net.auwrote: HI On 28/02/2010 6:18 PM, Brett Goulder wrote: I would just point your client to some usability articles and educate them why background music is very bad. although I tend to hate background music, even when it was in vogue way back when There are valid accessibility reason for playing sound files on page load. On one project i'm starting work on we are working with what UNESCO tends to refer to as a lesser used language on the internet. A lot of information needs to presented, but we also need to take into account mother language literacy levels, which are quite low in the target communities. So need to for usability and accessibility reasons to look at non-textual alternatives to textual material. So options to enable the playing of audio on page load is quite useful. Doesn't get around that problem of site navigation, maybe sound snippets and icons may help, but rendering complex semantics into small icons can be difficult if not impossible. This project has definitely shown me how much the web is mired in a literate model, and am stuggling with how to adapt to a model based on orality rather than literacy. My 2 cents would be to just not do it. for music I'd agree, for other purposes http://completeusability.com/regrettable-background-music/ Bruce P wrote: Smal player and an off button one can find immediately is a prerequisite :) Bruce - Original Message - From: Lesley Lutomski ubu...@webaflame.co.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:50 AM Subject: [WSG] Background music on web pages Hi all, I apologise if this is off-topic, but I'd really appreciate some advice. I have clients who insist they want background music on their Web site. I've tried to dissuade them, but without success. What is the most acceptable/least intrusive method of doing this? UK licensing requirements differ depending on whether the music is downloadable or not, so I need to sort out the method in order to advise them on the licences. I'm still hoping the complexities of the licensing system will succeed where I've failed and put them off the whole notion, but in case not, I'd be most grateful for some input here. Thank you. Lesley *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Andrew Cunningham Senior Project Manager, Research and Development Vicnet State Library of Victoria 328 Swanston Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Ph: +61-3-8664-7430 Fax: +61-3-9639-2175 Email: andr...@vicnet.net.au Alt email: lang.supp...@gmail.com http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/http://home.vicnet.net.au/%7Eandrewc/ http://www.openroad.net.au
