[WSG] RE: Using a dot "." in a class name

2010-03-11 Thread Jens-Uwe Korff 
Thanks to all who replied. I have opted for the save way and will use classes 
like "stars-05", "stars-10", "stars-15", etc. for half a star, one star, 
one-and-a-half stars etc.

Cheers,

Jens 


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Re: [WSG] RE: Using a dot "." in a class name

2010-03-11 Thread Micky Hulse 
Here is a conversation from the CSS-d list about colons:



I have read about this elsewhere too (can't find link atm)... It is
suggested that you escape the colon with a back slash. I can only
imagine a period would be treated the same way?

Personally, I would avoid periods and/or colons, but I can imagine
situations where you do no have a choice. :D

Cheers,
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Re: [WSG] Using a dot "." in a class name

2010-03-11 Thread Chris Knowles 
I would have thought the problem would be when you want to use it in a 
stylesheet...


.ratingL-4.5 {...}

presumably a browser will read this as two classes. But if it's purely 
there for something like javascript to grab hold of and interpret it 
should be ok


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Jens-Uwe Korff wrote:

Hi all,

I've noticed that YouTube uses a dot for its star rating:



It seems to work in browsers, but I'd like to know if this character is valid 
and if it might have future implications if used that way.

Thanks,
Jens


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[WSG] RE: Using a dot "." in a class name

2010-03-11 Thread Tatham Oddie 
Hi Jens,

It would cause a conflict in CSS because of multiple class selectors:

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/selector.html#class-html

For example:

This has two classes

can be targeted with:

div.class1.class2 { color: red; }

Using a dot in the class name itself would be an ambiguous selector. Does
"div.rating-L4.5" mean "the div with class rating-L4.5" or "the div with
class rating-L4 and class 5"?

As such, while it is valid (as per Sam's email that just came through) I
really wouldn't recommend it. Stick to lowercase letters, numbers and dashes
in your class names I reckon.


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Subject: [WSG] Using a dot "." in a class name

Hi all,

I've noticed that YouTube uses a dot for its star rating:



It seems to work in browsers, but I'd like to know if this character is
valid and if it might have future implications if used that way.

Thanks,
Jens


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[WSG] RE: Using a dot "." in a class name

2010-03-11 Thread Sam Dwyer 
Stanards indicate that class is a cdata type 
(http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.2) which, as defined 
here, http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types.html#type-cdata accepts any sequence 
of characters (unlike the id and name attributes which have to begin with 
z-zA-Z).

Cheers,
S

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Subject: [WSG] Using a dot "." in a class name

Hi all,

I've noticed that YouTube uses a dot for its star rating:



It seems to work in browsers, but I'd like to know if this character is valid 
and if it might have future implications if used that way.

Thanks,
Jens

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[WSG] Using a dot "." in a class name

2010-03-11 Thread Jens-Uwe Korff 
Hi all,

I've noticed that YouTube uses a dot for its star rating:



It seems to work in browsers, but I'd like to know if this character is valid 
and if it might have future implications if used that way.

Thanks,
Jens


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Re: [WSG] NVDA-screen reader software for windows

2010-03-11 Thread Rob Crowther 

Lorrie Laskey wrote:


Do screen readers exist for Linux operating systems?


Yes, there's Orca for GTK/Gnome:

http://projects.gnome.org/orca/

Rob


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Re: [WSG] NVDA-screen reader software for windows

2010-03-11 Thread Lesley Lutomski 
There's one called Orca, which run on a GNOME desktop - I don't know if 
it's available for other desktops.  I've never actually tried it - it's 
on my to-do list!  I'd be interested to hear how you get on with it - 
e-mail me off-list.


Lesley

Lorrie Laskey wrote:

Hello all,

Do screen readers exist for Linux operating systems?

L

On 03/10/10 23:45, Sam Dwyer wrote:


Another good alternative at a pinch for testing is the SA2GO 
screenreader which is also free http://satogo.com/


And if you just want very basic accessibility checking then the 
firefox addon ‘fangs’ 
http://www.standards-schmandards.com/projects/fangs/ is useful.


NVDA is really good for working with though if you’re a frontend 
developer because they have **excellent** support for WAI-ARIA –easily 
comparable, if not way better than, the two big alternatives 
(winow-eyes and jaws) plus it being free makes it much easier to 
actually utilise in testing.


 


Cheers,

sam

 

 

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Awesome post - thanks John & Thierry for sharing.

 


Cheers,

Jason



 


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Re: [WSG] NVDA-screen reader software for windows

2010-03-11 Thread Lorrie Laskey 

Hello all,

Do screen readers exist for Linux operating systems?

L

On 03/10/10 23:45, Sam Dwyer wrote:


Another good alternative at a pinch for testing is the SA2GO 
screenreader which is also free http://satogo.com/


And if you just want very basic accessibility checking then the 
firefox addon 'fangs' 
http://www.standards-schmandards.com/projects/fangs/ is useful.


NVDA is really good for working with though if you're a frontend 
developer because they have **excellent** support for WAI-ARIA 
--easily comparable, if not way better than, the two big alternatives 
(winow-eyes and jaws) plus it being free makes it much easier to 
actually utilise in testing.


Cheers,

sam

*From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org 
[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Davey

*Sent:* Thursday, 11 March 2010 4:23 PM
*To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
*Subject:* Re: [WSG] NVDA-screen reader software for windows

Awesome post - thanks John & Thierry for sharing.

Cheers,

Jason



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Re: [WSG] Chrome mystery with width of element

2010-03-11 Thread David McKinnon 
Hardly surprising Tee, it's still very much in beta.

We'll just have to be patient :)

On 11/03/2010, at 6:22 PM, tee wrote:

> Speaking of Chrome, I find the Mac version quite buggy.



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Re: [WSG] Chrome mystery with width of element

2010-03-11 Thread Jermayn Parker 
brilliant!
Thanks mate.



On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:22 PM, tee  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> http://d3895.mysite.westnethosting.com.au/
>>
>> In other browsers it works ok.
>
> I see it in Safari too.
> Version 4.0.4 (6531.21.10)
>
> Giving a width to "testimony" does the trick.
> Speaking of Chrome, I find the Mac version quite buggy.
>
> tee
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