[WSG] Jroller vs. Movable Type
Can anyone tell me what the differences are between a Java based blogging tool and a php/mysql perl based one? The company I work for is looking into Jroller, because some of our apps are Java based and we might want to integrate down the road, but I'm not sure Jroller is all that well supported...I've been doing some research and I'm not finding any real threads on a review of the software. If you have any info, I'd appreciate it. -- Sincerely, Anthony P. Zeoli Founder Netmix.com 333 86th Street, Apt 2C Brooklyn, NY 11209-5051 Tel: 917-705-4700 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.netmix.com AIM & MSN: djtonyz Yahoo: anthonyzeoli ICQ: 251999694 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Web Design Theory Question: CSS only or Illustrator/Photoshop to CSS?
Hi Lea, Thanks for your post. I guess I'm still on the right track then. Much appreciated :) -- Sincerely, Anthony P. Zeoli Founder Netmix.com 496 Court Street, Apt 3 Brooklyn, NY 11231 Tel: 718-858-7876 Mob: 917-705-4700 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.netmix.com, http://www.djtonyz.com AIM & MSN: djtonyz Yahoo: anthonyzeoli ICQ: 251999694 > From: Lea de Groot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: Elysian Systems > Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:09:17 +1000 > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] Web Design Theory Question: CSS only or > Illustrator/Photoshop to CSS? > > On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:13:28 -0500, Anthony Zeoli wrote: >> Are designers still designing full site >> templates in Illustrator, then porting them over to Photoshop to tweak the >> graphics, exporting Fireworks for slicing and saving to .gif and .jpg/png, >> then placing those images using CSS positioning. > > I have a programming background, and my preferred workflow is as > follows: > paper layouts, photoshop implementations, html/css template, then php > generating code. > I find if I skip the photoshop time, I spend too long getting the html > working when I am not yet completely clear on what I want. > > Other workflows will work for other people :) > > HIH > Lea > -- > Lea de Groot > Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet <http://elysiansystems.com/> > Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web > Design > Brisbane, Australia > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Web Design Theory Question: CSS only or Illustrator/Photoshop to CSS?
Andreas, Thanks for your reply. I thought that was still the case and its helpful to learn that others are maintaining that workflow process. -- Sincerely, Anthony P. Zeoli Founder Netmix.com 496 Court Street, Apt 3 Brooklyn, NY 11231 Tel: 718-858-7876 Mob: 917-705-4700 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.netmix.com AIM & MSN: djtonyz Yahoo: anthonyzeoli ICQ: 251999694 > From: "Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:05:50 +1100 > To: > Subject: RE: [WSG] Web Design Theory Question: CSS only or > Illustrator/Photoshop to CSS? > >> -----Original Message- >> From: Anthony Zeoli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 7:13 AM >> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org >> Subject: [WSG] Web Design Theory Question: CSS only or >> Illustrator/Photoshop to CSS? >> >> >> Should I design my layout in Illustrator as we've all probably >> done before, >> or should I just do away with that and layout my site just on >> paper and then >> just go to work in CSS? > > I continue with the design in illustrator and photoshop. Well, actually I > don't do the design. But the guys that do it for us provide Photoshop files, > which is really what we expect. It is just the easiest way to get an > overview of what the final design will look like, before we start slicing > things up. Whether Illustrator or Freehand, Photoshop or Fireworks - main > thing to us is that there is an electronic mockup of the design that gives > us a good idea of what it is meant to look like in the end. Then, as we go > along, we make the decisions on what parts of the design will be sliced from > the Photoshop files and what are created using css. > > Andreas Boehmer > User Experience Consultant > > Phone: (03) 9417 0468 > Mobile: (0411) 097 038 > http://www.addictiveMedia.com.au > Consulting | Accessibility | Usability | Development > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Web Design Theory Question: CSS only or Illustrator/Photoshop to CSS?
Thank you Collin, your advice and the links to the books are very helpful. I wanted to make sure that I'm staying grounded and not straying off path. There's always so much to learn, but one must have the basics down before they can climb the mountain, so to speak. -- Sincerely, Anthony P. Zeoli Founder Netmix.com 496 Court Street, Apt 3 Brooklyn, NY 11231 Tel: 718-858-7876 Mob: 917-705-4700 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.netmix.com AIM & MSN: djtonyz Yahoo: anthonyzeoli ICQ: 251999694 > From: "Collin Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:50:59 -0600 > To: > Subject: RE: [WSG] Web Design Theory Question: CSS only or > Illustrator/Photoshop to CSS? > > Coming from a design background, I still feel most comfortable doing all > mockups and design work in editing programs. I do all preliminary work on > paper, transfer into Photoshop and finish all logo work in Illustrator. One > of the things you have to remember is unless you're doing a personal site, > when being paid to do web (or print) design, you have somebody to answer to. > I find that if I'm presenting designs to higher-ups, it's far easier to > change design elements in Photoshop than it is to do so if working only in > CSS. It also helps to have something to work from, as opposed to just > trying to push things around on the screen. As far as books on the matter, > I've really been helped by the following: > > Designers in Handcuffs: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1581803311/104-1438187-6628745 > ?v=glance > > The Art and Science of Web Design: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0789723700/104-1438187-6628745 > ?v=glance > > Return on Design: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0201756072/104-1438187-6628745 > ?v=glance > >>> What do you think? Where are there resources on how to start "thinking" >>> about designing a web site. Not the actual coding of it. Of course, there >>> are tons of books on HTML/XHTML, CSS, and all that, but I'm talking more >>> of design theory. How wide should columns be? What is the standard sixe, >>> 1024x768 or 800 x 600? How wide and tall should your headers be? How tall >>> should your logo be in the top left corner? Conceptual things of that >>> nature. > > The best resources to follow regarding design concepts like those you > mention are other sites. Find sites that strike you aesthetically, then > identify what moves you about them. Look to the luminaries of the field, > such as Jeffrey Zeldman, Eric Meyer, Andy Budd, Brian Alvey, Dan Cederholm > and see what they do. Before I begin any design process for a new website, > brochure, CD cover, advertisement, etc. the first thing I do is spend a > couple of days getting ideas. Magazines, websites, billboards, product > labeling, etc. can all be points of inspiration. > > Hope this helps, and remember: it's only my opinion. :) > Cheers, > > Collin Davis > Web Architect > Stromberg Architectural Products > p 903.454.0904 > f 903.454.3642 > e [EMAIL PROTECTED] > web www.strombergarchitectural.com > > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] Web Design Theory Question: CSS only or Illustrator/Photoshop to CSS?
Hi all: I'm fairly new to the CSS game and have been playing with the CSS tool, Stylemaster, which is pretty easy to use and has been a great help to me in learning how to layout a CSS web site. What I'm wondering though, is now that a large number of web producers/designers are using CSS for all positioning and style, eliminating tables, frames and other messy code. Are designers still designing full site templates in Illustrator, then porting them over to Photoshop to tweak the graphics, exporting Fireworks for slicing and saving to .gif and .jpg/png, then placing those images using CSS positioning. Or, are they just designing the full site in CSS, borders and all, creating graphics after the fact and inserting them where needed? What is the theory behind designing with CSS. I know everyone does it differently, but I want to find some kind of guide to help me know where and how to start. Should I design my layout in Illustrator as we've all probably done before, or should I just do away with that and layout my site just on paper and then just go to work in CSS? What do you think? Where are there resources on how to start "thinking" about designing a web site. Not the actual coding of it. Of course, there are tons of books on HTML/XHTML, CSS, and all that, but I'm talking more of design theory. How wide should columns be? What is the standard sixe, 1024x768 or 800 x 600? How wide and tall should your headers be? How tall should your logo be in the top left corner? Conceptual things of that nature. Can anyone help with links to a good design theory website or book. Thanks! -- Sincerely, Anthony P. Zeoli Founder Netmix.com 496 Court Street, Apt 3 Brooklyn, NY 11231 Tel: 718-858-7876 Mob: 917-705-4700 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.netmix.com AIM & MSN: djtonyz Yahoo: anthonyzeoli ICQ: 251999694 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
