[WSG] Accessible Odeon on BBC Radio 4
Today I heard a short piece on BBC Radio 4's Today programme talking about Matthew Somerville's Accessible Odeon site and web accessibility in general. Worth a listen (requires RealPlayer): http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today5_business_20040921.ram Good to hear accessibility issues such as this reaching the mainstream media. -- Charles Roper ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Testing render speed
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:21:29 +1000, Greer, Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Try > http://www.xat.com/wo/index.html > > We've been using it and find it very helpful. I think you could set it > to "unlimited" speed to get just render times... Thanks - I gave this a whirl. It seems to have some problems with Apache virtual servers (it always pulls down the default server, completely ignoring the virtual), which limited my options somewhat, but I still managed some results. It does seem that there's a negligible difference between table based layout rendering and CSS based layout. So negligible that it's not worth pursuing any further really, although it would have been interesting to compare IE and Gecko rendering times. Unsurprisingly, it's the images that really add to the perceived render time, but that's a download issue, not a rendering one. Charles ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Testing render speed
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 00:08:58 +1000, russ - maxdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This tool may help: > http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/ Thanks Russ, although I should have pointed out I was already aware of this one (via the Web Developer Toolbar for FF), sorry. The trouble with this one is that kind of guesses at the download times based on file sizes and doesn't take into account rendering times. I wanted to be able to compare actual rendering times across various browsers, and compare those results to table based layouts. It's more out of interest than any real-world application, but I'd like to be able to quantify the fact that a standards based design is not only leaner, but faster too. Cheers, -- Charles Roper ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] Testing render speed
I want to test the render speed (from initial request through to completion, and just the render once all files are cached) of some pages, specifically to see if a non-table based approach is speeding things up at all. Anyone know what the best way of doing this is? Cheers, Charles -- Charles Roper ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Peek-a-Boo Bug in FireFox???
> > > Need some help here... > > > http://fs.neester.com/ I'm looking at it in Firefox 1.0PR (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10) and it all seems to look and act just fine. -- Charles Roper ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] PDA Viewer
Thanks for all the suggestions. I've not got a particular device in mind, but rather wanted to get a general idea of how a site might look on a small screen. The suggestions here have covered it very nicely, so thanks. Also, as luck would have it, web-graphics.com have just published a very handy article on this very subject. Lots more info to mine on there: http://web-graphics.com/mtarchive/001263.php With the gowing poularity of small screen devices, 3G and all of the other broadband wireless solutions, I see a growing need for reliable testing software as testing on this broad spectrum of actual devices is impractical (although it would be fun having the budget to purchase and test on 'em). Of cource, if they all support standards in a reliable way, then that helps a great deal. Cheers, Charles -- Charles Roper www.charlesroper.co.uk * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] PDA Viewer
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:31:32 -0400, Derek Featherstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Neerav wrote: > > The Opera browser for windows & mac (used in some handhelds as well > > AFAIK) has a small screen emulator at "view" -> "small screen" > > Or you can toggle in and out of small screen mode using Shift + F11 if you > have a predisposition to using the keyboard... Cheers. I didn't realise Opera had this functionality. I'll give it a whirl. Charles * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] PDA Viewer
Hi All, Can anyone recommend a decent PDA/small screen simulator? I've seen a few knocking around, but I've not used one in anger to properly test sites. Obviously using the real this is the ideal option, but impractical. Or perhaps a simulator isn't the best solution? How do others test their sites for compatibility with small screens? Many thanks, Charles -- Charles Roper www.charlesroper.co.uk * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
