[WSG] CSIRO to help develop web standards
Interesting news this Friday morning. Does anyone have anymore info on this? http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200510/s1476554.htm The CSIRO has won a bid to play a central role in setting standards for the World Wide Web. The organisation will now host the Australian office of the World Wide Web Consortium, which is the international body that sets standards for the web. The CSIRO's Ross Ackland says the consortium makes guidelines which allow companies to create content which can be viewed on all devices from computers to mobile phones. One of the things with standards is, standards mean that you are much more competitive, not just on a national scale but a global scale ... If you want to sell your products and develop your products then standards is one of the great mechanisms through which you can do that and become competitive in a much wider market, he said. Mr Ackland says the consortium's recommendations are freely available. So if I want to generate web content that has graphics embedded into it, and to be sure that that content can be viewed on a mobile phone or a desktop browser or wherever, I don't need to worry so long as I use the recommendation and guidelines that tell me how to generate that kind of content, he said. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Body tag background color changes
Hi Sarah,
The way I do this is by applying an id to my body tag in the source of
the pages I want to be different then the master page.
For example:
page.html body
page2.html: body id=bg2
page3.html: body id=bg3
CSS:
body {
background: #fff;
}
#bg2 {
background: #ffc;
}
#bg3 {
background: #ff0;
}
and so on.
Hope this helps.
Ian
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Hi All
Just wondering whether there was a way to include different body
background colors (for different pages) within the same css file.
For example #fff for page1.html, #ffc for page2.html etc.
At present I have a separate style sheet for each page that requires a
different background color.
Thanks for any ideas...
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[WSG] Page structure - navigation
Good morning group, I have a question regarding page structure and hierarchal order. I have a client who insists making me place the site's navigation at the bottom of the page structure and than positioning it at the top via CSS. His reasons of doing this is for search engine optimisation? Quite frankly, this doesn't make sense to me as I thought indexing the site's pages is pretty important stuff. Also explaining the issue about screen readers and CSS off didn't persuade is discussion. Does anyone have any links to this subject or help me explain to him the right way of doing this? P.S. Hope this isn't off topic, I'm asking help on page structure not SEO. Thanks guys, Ian Main http://www.e-lusion.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Opera 7 not rendering style
Hi list, I'm wondering if anyone knows what I have done to cause Opera 7 not to render this page correctly. http://e-lusion.com/design/greenmarinee/ http://e-lusion.com/design/greenmarinee/screen.css It appears correct in Internet Explorer 6/5.5/5 and Gecko. I'm searching for Opera bugs and hacks with no luck. Any ideas? Kind regards, Ian http://www.e-lusion.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera 7 not rendering style
Thanks Ben and Georg worked but now I have that dirty feeling all
over. Not nice.
Cheers guys.
Ian
http://www.e-lusion.com
Ian Main wrote:
I'm wondering if anyone knows what I have done to cause Opera 7
not to
render this page correctly.
http://e-lusion.com/design/greenmarinee/
body {padding: 0;}
...makes it look identical in Opera 7.54 and Firefox 1.0, at my end.
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Re: [WSG] header alignment working in everything but safari
Thanks Hugh, I didn't think to try resizing the browser window. As you mentioned it did jump back 1 pixel. I have to resort to the method you mentioned instead. Thanks for helping me understand the problem. Ian http://www.e-lusion.com Ian, You seem to be up against a rendering issue that you can probably not solve with your current method. When I resize the browser window in Firefox your header appears to move 1 px away from the left edge of your centred column and then back again. So it looks like Safari, and then aligns as you intend, alternately. When I take out your 1px left margin hack it works the other way. What this indicates to me is that Firefox cannot resolve a sub-pixel placement (remember, you're centring an image, so it will fall between pixels) except by moving it slightly left or slightly right. (I don't know why the body image and the header image don't always align, but I do think you're correct that Safari does it right.) Solution? Use a repeating background (repeat-y) for your header, including that stripy band down the bottom, and use a header with a graphic background (or an image, or image replacement) for your Beachhouse logo thingy. -Hugh Todd On 14/10/2004, at 2:50 PM, Ian Main wrote: I've spent too long trying to get my head around this. http://www.e-lusion.com/design/beachhouse/ http://www.e-lusion.com/design/beachhouse/screen.css Safari error http://e-lusion.com/design/beachhouse/13499.png I have placed a Faux Column image on the body which is centred. Than placed a repeated a centred header image with a width of 757px within a centred container. The problem is most browsers are rendering this correctly except for Safari 1.2. I don't want to put my background image on my container element as the floats are stopping it from repeating. It actually looks like Safari is the correct renderer (is that a word?) as the body, container and header all should be centred but I had to add margin-left: 1 on to both header images. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] header alignment working in everything but safari
Hi Group, I've spent too long trying to get my head around this. http://www.e-lusion.com/design/beachhouse/ http://www.e-lusion.com/design/beachhouse/screen.css Safari error http://e-lusion.com/design/beachhouse/13499.png I have placed a Faux Column image on the body which is centred. Than placed a repeated a centred header image with a width of 757px within a centred container. The problem is most browsers are rendering this correctly except for Safari 1.2. I don't want to put my background image on my container element as the floats are stopping it from repeating. It actually looks like Safari is the correct renderer (is that a word?) as the body, container and header all should be centred but I had to add margin-left: 1 on to both header images. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Ian Main http://www.e-lusion.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IFR
Another Image Replacement technique using flash and js. http://www.shauninman.com/mentary/past/ifr_an_fir_alternative.php http://jeffcroft.com/ is now using the technique. Ian. You will have to explain a bit more about what you are trying to do - what is SI_IFR, do you have any links to examples and what is the relevance of it to web standards. Cheers James 7 sinz wrote: Im pulling my brains out trying to get SI_IFR to work; * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * -- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] RoboDemo 5
I have been actually using it this morning for the first time. My first impression of the product was extremely simple to use. Coming from a flash background, the time you save creating a presentation through robodemo than flash is worth it, and you don't need flash experience. It works well with html as it understands when you click on certain html elements it automatically adds large tooltips for the view to understand whatÂ’s been clicked on. It lets you choose screen sizes, e.g, PDA, full screen, specific browser resolutions, etc. Have you downloaded the 15 day demo? It lets you export html/swf, though it adds watermarks to the presentation. http://www.macromedia.com/go/tryrobodemo Ian. Hi We are looking at purchasing RoboDemo 5 and I was wondering if anyone had any experience with the product - especially in terms of eLearning and user interactivity, accessiblity issues etc. I'm trying to convince my director to buy it! Thanks Helen *** Helen Rysavy Designer / Webmaster Learning Resources Division Charles Darwin University Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cdu.edu.au CRICOS Provider No: 00300K *** * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * -- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] IE ABBR tag
Hi Luc, IE windows doesn't support abbr. Here is a couple of ways to solve the issue. http://www.sovavsiti.cz/css/abbr.html http://www.jasonkarldavis.com/scripts/abbrhack/ Ian www.e-lusion.com Hello list, Somehow my abbr tag doesn't seem to work in IE. Is it my system or is there really something wrong? http://www.dzinelabs.com/projects/newdzine.php -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 2.11 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. As long as you can laugh at yourself you will never cease to be amused. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * -- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] CSS Menu Issues - Client Site
Hi Jezz,
I haven't looked at question 1, but here is 2 and 3.
2) If you have the list items on a single line in your code these
breaks disappear. Funny because I thought this issue was only with IE.
example: lia href=#Item one/a/lilia href=#Item
two/a/lilia href=#Item three/a/li
3) The break is due to you adding a top margin height of 7 pixels on
your unorderlist.
#navlist ul {
padding: 0;
margin: 7px 0 0 0;
}
If you remove this and leave margin at 0 this break will close.
I'll see what your question 1 is about.
Ian.
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Hello there.
I'm developing a site for a local hat shop, and I'm having some
problems
with the menu. If you could please take a look at the following link:
http://www.affectus.net/freelance/2004_05_phathats/
Here are the issues I am experiencing:
1) I would like for the navigation to stretch 100% of the width
(750px). I will style the a:active stuff later, once the base is
aligned the
way I would like.
2) I notice there is a break between the different boxes of
the
navigation. I'd like to know how to get rid of these things.
3) In Firefox .8 (which I test on), I find that there is a
break in the
white background right about where the navigation is. I would like
to make a
solid white background from header to footer.
Thanks so much for your time. I hope you guys can figure it out,
I've been
banging my head on the table for the last two hours.
Jeremy Shields
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Re: [WSG] A rave about h1's
Sorry OT, but Jeremy is there anywhere I can find the keynotes to this statement. This is pretty big news, we all knew about the problems [http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fir/]but to officially deprecate! So which one [http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/12/12/accessible_i/index.php] do we now turn too? Or are we just going to fall into another trap? Ian www.e-lusion.com btw, Doug Bowman officially deprecated the Farhner Image Replacement at SXSW monday because of the inconsitencies it has with various screen readers. Jeremy Flint www.jeremyflint.com Leo J. O'Campo wrote: On Wednesday, March 17, 2004, at 03:35 PM, russ weakley wrote: While using multiple h1's are valid, you should also think about the underlying page structure - and think about how other devices will interpret this structure. Russ Your point is well taken and needs to be implemented more. There is a big difference between using an h1 for styling as opposed to semantic structure. My question is what to do about blogs? Their current design seems guilty in this respect. Leo * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * -- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Usability Week 2004
Hi All, Usability Week 2004 is slowly creeping up on us. This year it will be in Melbourne 17-21 May and Sydney 24-28 May. It is run by NN/g and I know we all have mixed feeling about Jakob Nielsen, but listening to his talks will be a great experience for everyone on this list. Here are the details: http://www.nngroup.com/events/ I wanted to send this out early so we can all benefit from the early discount fee. Have a good afternoon all, Ian Main www.e-lusion.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Usability Week 2004
http://www.nngroup.com/events/sydney/prices.html http://www.nngroup.com/events/melbourne/prices.html I won't be attending the first three days, only 2 days. Web Usability 2004 and Beyond ALT test: Designing Accessible Websites both seem quite interesting. Ian. www.e-lusion.com I wanted to send this out early so we can all benefit from the early discount fee. Thanks - that will also give us all time to have some good long discussions with our bank managers about that second mortgage :) 3 days with Jakob = $20K (I'm guessing this is US dollars). I couldn't find pricing on individual sessions Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * -- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] New CSS site
If your happy to have the same favicon throughout the site's pages you don't need any code in the head. You just need to place the favicon.ico in the root dir. Ian. This doesn't validate either - does anyone have the correct validating code for inserting a favicon? Peter On 12/03/2004, at 12:50 PM, James Ellis wrote: The validator is having some issues with link rel=shortcut icon trylink rel=icon ... / instead and you'll have a valid site! Universal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com -- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] FireFox - OT.. Sorry - reply off list
I found this info this morning Chris. http://www.1976design.com/blog/archive/2004/02/09/firefox-error/ Ian. Chris Stratford wrote: Sorry its OT I know. Just wondering if anyone gets the error in the new FireFix: *Error Launching Browser Window: No XBL Binding For Window* * * How can I resolve this issue? Sorry again for the OT post please reply to me Off List Sorry, this is still a bit OT, but I though that if this error got me Chris, others may want to know. If you are getting this error I've written up the fix for it here: http://glenn.typepad.com/news/2004/02/installing_fire.html cheers -- Glenn Religion and science are opposed, but only in the same sense as that in which my thumb and forefinger are opposed - and between the two, one can grasp everything - Sir William Bragg. http://glenn.typepad.com/news/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * -- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] Right column longer = error
Hi Guys, New to the list and really have been enjoying reading it all. I am having an issue with using fauxcolumns. Everything is fine if the left column content is longer than the right, but if the right column content is longer the image stops. I fixed this by adding the image within the #rap (container) div and works fine in IE but not Mozilla? That must be a first!! If any of you have time to have a look on a sleepy friday that would be tops. Note: Developing for Wordpress system so I can't modify the html in any way. Here are links to the pages. http://www.e-lusion.com/design/humancondition/index.htm This page shows everthing is in order. http://www.e-lusion.com/design/humancondition/comments.htm This page shows the right column causing problems (please view in both IE and Mozilla to see difference) http://www.e-lusion.com/design/humancondition/style.css Thanks guys. Ian. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity
Veine, I just tested it in Netscape 7.1/XP and everything renders correctly. Also in Mozilla FB.7 it is behaving itself just fine. Make sure your client's browser settings are set to default, ie; without text zoom, etc. Regards, Ian. Hello; Well, thanks to the Dane on this list (Anders Ebdrup) one of my major problems are fixed, now I have a smaller one (I think). On this page: http://www.mainemaritime.edu/redesign I have some problems, it looks wonderful in Moz/NN6+/IE with WinXP/98 Home on PC, which by the looks of the server logs are around 92% of the population visiting this site, but in Netscape 7 / XP Pro there is some things that are breaking apart (I can only say what the client told me, as I don't have XP Pro to test out on) The middle rollover has a white line under it, and the bottom right graphic (US News image) has a black line under it, and the around the search box there are some strange 2-3 pixel wide blue before the input box. Anyone having any clue to why this happen, and even better how to deal with it? On Mac (OS8.5/IE5.1) looks good, except for around the search box, where there is some weird things going on. If anyone has any help/advice/links to help I would greatly appreciate them, especially the first problem as the client will look on his page through NS 7.1/XP Pro TIA Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru -- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
