Re: [WSG] WSG - Time for a re-think on WSG.
It's not really a web standards issue, but the current acceptable standard for email list servers it to trap 'out of office' messages and /dev/null them with extreme prejudice. If the current list software can not do this, perhap it too should be /dev/null'd. I am subscribed to dozens of email lists and this is the only one that relays out of office spam. Not a good look for a group promoting quality and standards in communication. jim On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:52 AM, ewen.h...@health.vic.gov.au wrote: rant After a while, we humans decide that small annoyances need to end and after hearing from an individual I don't know that I am off sick today on the WSG group, I have decided enough is enough. What Russ and his band of compatriots did back 15 years or so ago to create a group and spread the word has been fantastic howeever it needs a revival. The vast majority of us are techie, web developers who know a thing or two about great websites that are accessible. Isn't that what WSG is crying out for? Gopher and Archie have sadly gone and so should the current flavour of WSG. WSG could be reincarnated into a thing of beauty and a site to behold beacuse with HTML5, a sprinkling of accessibility knowledge and a bunch of us hacking away, we could show the world that sites can be accessible and uber-cool at the same time. Over to you... /rant PS Hope you're feeling better Ewen Hill Project Manager. ewen.h...@health.vic.gov.au_ This email contains confidential information intended only for the person named above and may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying or use of this information is prohibited. The Department provides no guarantee that this communication is free of virus or that it has not been intercepted or interfered with. If you have received this email in error or have any other concerns regarding its transmission, please notify postmas...@dhs.vic.gov.au _ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://about.me/jrc 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URLs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] WSG - Time for a re-think on WSG.
yes - it is no big deal as an individual act, but in aggregate contributes to the advere side of the S:N ratio. The fact that it is demonstrably totally unnecessary makes it all the more irritating. Yes, I could write a filter to catch these messages, but this is the 21st century, there are email transfer standards, we have 24 hr wireless pizza delivery, and I shouldn't have to. You wouldn't put up with a web page that forced you to read a short message and hit the delete key before seeing the rest of the page. Chances are you would probably not go there more than twice (the second time to confirm, 'are you for real?!'). If people are already at borderline S:N, 'a very small amount of time' is it all it is going to take to push them over the 'unsubscribe' edge and seek their web standards jollies elsewhere. Also, it is the professionalism thing... jim On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Jon Reece jon.re...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, I don't mind deleting the few emails (relatively) that are out-of-office replies. If I did, I would probably just set up a filter since I'm using Gmail (and I'm pretty sure most popular email clients support advanced filters as well). I find that the very small amount of time it takes me to select the email, and then select Delete, is really nothing to complain about. Just my $0.02 - Jon On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: It's not really a web standards issue, but the current acceptable standard for email list servers it to trap 'out of office' messages and /dev/null them with extreme prejudice. If the current list software can not do this, perhap it too should be /dev/null'd. I am subscribed to dozens of email lists and this is the only one that relays out of office spam. Not a good look for a group promoting quality and standards in communication. jim On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:52 AM, ewen.h...@health.vic.gov.au wrote: rant After a while, we humans decide that small annoyances need to end and after hearing from an individual I don't know that I am off sick today on the WSG group, I have decided enough is enough. What Russ and his band of compatriots did back 15 years or so ago to create a group and spread the word has been fantastic howeever it needs a revival. The vast majority of us are techie, web developers who know a thing or two about great websites that are accessible. Isn't that what WSG is crying out for? Gopher and Archie have sadly gone and so should the current flavour of WSG. WSG could be reincarnated into a thing of beauty and a site to behold beacuse with HTML5, a sprinkling of accessibility knowledge and a bunch of us hacking away, we could show the world that sites can be accessible and uber-cool at the same time. Over to you... /rant PS Hope you're feeling better Ewen Hill Project Manager. ewen.h...@health.vic.gov.au_ This email contains confidential information intended only for the person named above and may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying or use of this information is prohibited. The Department provides no guarantee that this communication is free of virus or that it has not been intercepted or interfered with. If you have received this email in error or have any other concerns regarding its transmission, please notify postmas...@dhs.vic.gov.au _ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://about.me/jrc 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URLs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http
Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing
The Visionaustralia accessibility toolbar looks interesting but only works on Windows and IE5 and above. This could hardly be described as a 'web srandards compliant' application. Has anything been done that is platform independent or for Mac or Linux? Jim [Mobile] On 25/06/2011 4:32 AM, Doug Burt flyin...@shaw.ca wrote: Hey Gang, I just downloaded the visonaustralia.org toolbar offered there, seems to work great and caught a batch of errors I thought were gone after using another validation program. Neat find Chad, thanks for passing it along it's a great resource... Cheers, Doug Burt -Original Message- On Behalf Of Chad Kelly Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:40 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing Hi Your best bet would be to look at the tools provided by Vision Australia visionaustralia.org under accessible solutions. They have a free toolbar you can download. I am also looking at providing web accessibility testing services as a part of the services offered by CPK Web Services. Would anyone be interested in that kind of a service? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Desktop. Tablet. Mobile.
lol, for iwe informaticians/i, a website with a slideshow, a carousel, a dropdown menu, an Accordion, a Tabs, gradients, drop-shadow elements, a fancy hover/toggle/click animation, and without semantically linked data, is not a website, it's merely a glossy brochure sitting on a webpage. jim - a document kinda guy ;) On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 3:28 AM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: lol, for many iwe designersi, if a website without a slideshow (do you like the lightbox or fancybox or shadowbox?), a carousel (should it go with original, coda or slider sir?), a dropdown menu (do yo need mega?), an Accordion, a Tabs, gradients, drop-shadow elements (CSS or image flavor sir?), a fancy hover/toggle/click animation, a website is not a website, it's merely a document sits on a webpage. Oh do you want it HTML5? That will be 20% extra fee sir. ( the iwe designeri does is change the doctype). tee On May 5, 2011, at 11:55 PM, Birendra wrote: Hi Stuart You are right on one point that heavy graphics make the site slower… but you can use a gradient to give a life in the site… and for the gradient you don’t need to use the images… this will be done by the css techniques… now as per my knowledge mobile and ipad device support the new css techniques.. My only concern is that the site doesn’t has any life… normally user like those site which had a good graphics or gradient… I hope you understand my point of the site designing. As I check the site in the iphone it’s looks ok I can’t say it’s look good are very good… something like the site will work without any error or disturbing the design… but now a days it’s not only important… user need a site with brilliant color scheme or graphics so they are attracted to surf it. Regards Birendra *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://about.me/jrc 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URLs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] interesting, wide-ranging and candid interview on the app vs the web and the UX
built on html, javascript and css. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rctiAtD6KKsfeature=autofb working with the publishers. product planning to go open source early next year. coming soon to http://treesaver.net design 'n stuff. closest thing to a 'zine on the web. a Flipboard killer? some interesting philosophical prognostication on what is happening in this space. It's just a website.I just kinda works jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URIs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible websites (was: accessible free web hosting account)
I think it is pretty good. But one slight irony/anomaly - the 'low vision' link is in pretty small font. Took me a while to find it... notetoselftime for new glasses prescription/notetoself jim On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Jens-Uwe Korffjko...@fairfaxdigital.com.au wrote: Hi all, I believe making sites accessible is very important. We are all used to ramps near stairs, lifts near escalators, lowered curbs at intersections. We need to get used to baking in time into our projects for accessible elements. Such elements are hidden headings (to aid semantics), skip links (to aid navigation), non-Javascript styles (to enable interaction with all content) and also high-contrast style sheets for vision-impaired users. I don't believe that integrating accessibility into a project adds a significant cost to a project anyway. I found that some of these elements take quite some time to integrate. Creating high-contrast CSS can take up to a day (or more if you're new to it), non-Javascript states usually more than an hour because you also have to edit the script. If you haven't considered accessibility in your company before you'll find that a lot of time goes by convincing the backing parties (Product Managers, Project Managers) to take it on board. For an example of a high-contrast version may I suggest to check out the Sydney Morning Herald's Travel section (http://www.smh.com.au/travel/). Click on Low vision in the navigation bar (We're going to replace low vision with high contrast since the former can be perceived as discriminatory). The styles you see then have been developed together with a vision-impaired person. They're not pretty, but usable. The biggest challenge with this kind of CSS is to keep up with development and remind oneself to update the code. It's not perfect, but it's a start. Cheers, Jens The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying files is or may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, reliance, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail or any attached files is unauthorised. This e-mail is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. If you have received this e-mail in error please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail or telephone and delete all copies. Fairfax does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. Internet communications are not secure, therefore Fairfax does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft ... in pursuit of the meaning of leaf ... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
