Re: [WSG] 508??

2004-09-16 Thread Joe Clark
Late to the party, I know. Isn't that always the way?
 * From: J Rodgers
Ontario (where I am) has the Ontarians with Disabilities Act (2001) 
but it lacks any real teeth and doesn't suggest anything specifi
Provincial-government sites must be accessible; this is interpreted 
as meaning Priority 2. It's easy to find pages that flunk, of course.

I think (not entirely sure) in Canada there is the wild card - 
Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I have heard a few discussions about 
how inaccessible websites violate people's rights in Canada, but to 
my knowledge no court cases yet.
None. And you'd start probably with a human-rights complaint (Cf. Maguire).
The other problem of validators is annoying as well. I was sitting 
in Tim Hortons in Toronto with Joe Clark listening to him go on how 
validators can't tell you want you have done right, only what you 
have done wrong, but even then they are inaccurate - when I thought, 
this is madness (and no it wasn't just because Joe was ranting) and 
I haven't seen anything in the past year or so to make me think 
otherwise.
The only time I have sat in a Tim Horton['s] in the last two years 
was after the Ryerson presentation.

http://joeclark.org/tus/
And there is absolutely no way I was talking about validators; I'm 
sure I was talking about automated accessibility testers like Bobby. 
However, since span class=paragraph and p are both valid HTML, 
even the validator can't always tell you when you're making a mistake.

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[WSG] Joe does Oz

2004-09-16 Thread Joe Clark
Well, as many of you may have heard, I'm traveling the highways, 
byways, and indeed hemispheres to speak at Russ and his posse's Web 
Essentials '04 conference. I have, as it were, an all-access pass.

Now, who's up for mainlining double espresso before, during, or after 
the conference?

Also, native Sydneysiders, please drop me a line. One has vacation 
time after the conference, and one has *needs* in that respect.
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