Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms

[Jon Gunderson]

Here are some best practices examples.  The encapsulation method has
some side effects that any content in text form controls becomes part
of the label, which can be confusing to speech users.

http://html.cita.illinois.edu/nav/form


Jon


On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:04 PM, David Dorward wrote:
>
> On 19 Aug 2009, at 19:35, Tom Livingston wrote:
>
>> On a slightly related topic, I have wrapped inputs inside of labels
>> for browser compatibility for the label clickability/focus issue
>> (based on some research some time ago), but have just read for the
>> first time recently, that this is not a good idea. Any thoughts?
>
>
> It isn't really a bad idea. It isn't as well supported as using the for
> attribute, so you should use that as well. Beyond that it is a matter of
> person taste. I find having the inputs outside the labels provides for more
> flexible styling options, YMMV.
>
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Re: [WSG] using skip links

[Jon Gunderson]

One idea is the first skip should be "skip to title" and the second
link "skip to content".

a second ideas is for your second link to  be "skip over promotion"

It is not clear to me why there would need to be promotional material
between the heading and the content.  COuld you send a link of an
example?

Jon


On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Ben Lau  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am to build templates for a page, and below is a pseudo example of my code
> order:
>
> -skip to #content-
> [div#navigation]
> 
> [h1]
> [div#promotion]
> [div.content]
>
> I've always believed my h1 should always come after the 'content' anchor (or
> within a #content div), so when screen reader skips my navigation to the
> content, they're able to read the h1 as well. Ideally I'd like to connect
> the h1 and div.content together, however I'm stuck with the div#promotion in
> between as I need to adhere to the visual layout.
>
> I was thinking of inserting another skip link to .content (and add another
> anchor name before it), so it'll read as:
>
> -skip to #pageContent-
> [div#navigation]
> 
> [h1]
> -skip promotion to #content-
> [div#promotion]
> 
> [div.content]
>
> My question is, is it bad to have a skip link right after you've skipped
> from the top?
> (hope I've explained it well...)
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
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Re: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

[Jon Gunderson]

Mike,

I just wanted to thank you for your feedback.  Also the Firefox
Accessibility Extension can be found at:

http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu

Jon


On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:33 AM, Foskett, Mike
 wrote:
> An excellent tool.
>
> I'm intrigued as to why this code would flag an error:
>
>    Welcome to siteName - blah blah blah
>    ...
>    siteName
>    ...
>    Welcome yada yada yada
>
> Live page: http://websemantics.co.uk/
>
> Test result page report: 
> http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/report/11ffbe32e288ea27/page/1/nav/
>
>
> I'm very happy that it's the only error though.
> Will use this tool to check through the rest of the site when time's 
> available,
>
>
> Regards
>
> Mike Foskett
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jon Gunderson
> Sent: 12 March 2009 14:07
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!
>
> The Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 (FAE) has been
> released with new and updated accessibility rules based on the iCITA
> Best Practices [1 to help web developers create HTML resources that
> are usable by people with disabilities.
>
>  FAE is a free service provided by the University of Illinois as a
> public service to support the creation of functionally accessible web
> resources to comply with Section 508 [2] and W3C Web Content
> Accessibility Guidelines [3] requirements .
>
> New reporting features let you archive up to 5 reports for as long as
> you want and as always you can still send URLs of web accessibility
> reports to developers and administrators for review without them
> needed to create an account.
>
>  http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu
>
> Sign up for your new FREE account at:
>
>  http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/accounts/register/
>
> Signing up for an account will let you test entire websites, instead
> of just one web page.
>
> NOTE: If you had an account on the old version of FAE you will need to
> create a NEW account on FAE 1.0.  The new version of FAE uses a
> different web application framework than the previous system and we
> were not able to migrate the old database.
>
> Information about new FAE features at:
>
>  http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/about/versions/
>
> References
> 1. iCITA HTML Best Practices
>  http:/fae.cita.uiuc.edu
>
> 2. Section 508 Information Technology Accessibility Standards
>   http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/standards.htm
>
> 3. W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines
>   http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG
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Re: [WSG] a WCAG 2.0 question

[Jon Gunderson]

I think this requirement is a little out dated, screen readers today
do a good job of telling people that a new window is open.

I think the main concern is window pollution, if links are opening a
lot of "new" windows it can be difficult for people with some types of
disabilities to be aware of and find windows they are interested in.

I believe a best practice is for your web pages to use the same TARGET
attribute value so links from your page basically are updating the
same "new" window and not creating a new window for every link
followed from your website.

Jon


On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Glen Wallis
 wrote:
> Hello all
>
>
>
> I am interested to know whether the people on this list consider opening a
> new window without alerting the user to be a failure to conform to Success
> Criterion 3.2.2 of WCAG 2.0.
>
>
>
> The success criterion is as follows:
>
>
>
> 3.2.2 On Input: Changing the setting of any user interface component does
> not automatically cause a change of context unless the user has been advised
> of the behaviour before using the component. (Level A)
>
> The key phrases, I believe are “user interface component” and “change of
> context”. I looked up the definitions of both phrases. The glossary states
> quite clearly that a link is a user interface component and that a change of
> context includes opening a new window. However, the document “Understanding
> SC 3.2.2” says
>
> “Additional Techniques (Advisory) for 3.2.2
>
> Although not required for conformance, the following additional techniques
> should be considered in order to make content more accessible. Not all
> techniques can be used or would be effective in all situations.
>
> Giving users advanced warning when opening a new window. (future link)”
>
> This seems like a contradiction. The WCAG 2.0 Recommendation is the only
> normative document, so it should take precedence over the Understanding
> document. However, the Understanding document specifically states that
> warning the user is not required for conformance.
>
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[WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

[Jon Gunderson]

The Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 (FAE) has been
released with new and updated accessibility rules based on the iCITA
Best Practices [1 to help web developers create HTML resources that
are usable by people with disabilities.

 FAE is a free service provided by the University of Illinois as a
public service to support the creation of functionally accessible web
resources to comply with Section 508 [2] and W3C Web Content
Accessibility Guidelines [3] requirements .

New reporting features let you archive up to 5 reports for as long as
you want and as always you can still send URLs of web accessibility
reports to developers and administrators for review without them
needed to create an account.

 http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu

Sign up for your new FREE account at:

 http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/accounts/register/

Signing up for an account will let you test entire websites, instead
of just one web page.

NOTE: If you had an account on the old version of FAE you will need to
create a NEW account on FAE 1.0.  The new version of FAE uses a
different web application framework than the previous system and we
were not able to migrate the old database.

Information about new FAE features at:

 http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/about/versions/

References
1. iCITA HTML Best Practices
  http:/fae.cita.uiuc.edu

2. Section 508 Information Technology Accessibility Standards
   http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/standards.htm

3. W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines
   http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG


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Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

[Jon Gunderson]

You can try the Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator
service.  It is a free service, no cost to create an account.

http://faetest.dres.uiuc.edu

This is the Candidate release 1, that hopefully be our production
version available later this week.

Please let me know what you think of it.

Jon


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Henrik Madsen
 wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I'm wrapping up a Government agency website.
> They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty pointless;
> others very valid - but no problem.
> Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner.
> http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php
> And "our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A" could apparently be improved.
> They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability and
> listenability.
> Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very
> accessible eh? :)
> What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable
> results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)?
> TIA.
> Henrik
>
>
> Henrik Madsen
> Generator
> hen...@igenerator.com.au
> www.igenerator.com.au
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[WSG] HELP: Need a bug fixed in Firefox to support development of open source accessibility testing tools

[Jon Gunderson]

There is a feature needed in Firefox to find out which DOM nodes have
user interface event handlers.

This would allow Firefox Accessibility Extensions and tools like
Firebug to test for features needed by people with disabilities to
make dynamic web applications more accessible.

For example, nodes with mouse event handlers also need keyboard event
handlers associated with them to help keyboard only users access the
dynamic web content.

There is already a 6 month old bug in bugzilla on the issue, but it
has not been assigned" to be fixed: "Bug 448602 - Have a way to
enumerate event listeners"

URL to bugzilla:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/

If you have a bugzilla account you can add your vote to increase the
priority of the bug being fixed:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/votes.cgi?action=show_bug&bug_id=448602

If you don't have an account, please create one and vote for this bug.
 The more votes the more likely someone will be assigned to fix it.

Thank you for your help and happy holidays,
Jon


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Re: [WSG]

[Jon Gunderson]

There is also the Illinois Functional Accessibility Validator (FAE)

http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu

and

The Illinois Firefox Accessibility Extension

http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu

Jon


On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Kepler Gelotte
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Anyone know about a tool that automate the process of testing
>  > accessibility? any new good tool?
>
>  One I like is: http://www.sidar.org/hera/index.php.en
>
>  It is interactive and shows the area in question on your page. It has been
>  around for a while though.
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Kepler Gelotte
>  Neighbor Webmaster, Inc.
>  156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854
>  www.neighborwebmaster.com
>  phone/fax: (732) 302-0904
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Re: [WSG] Review Accessability Of My Site

[Jon Gunderson]

Here is a tool that can help identify functional accessibility issues:

http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu

Jon


On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Marvin Hunkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> --
> Check out my home page at http://startrekcafe.stevesdomain.net/
> Check out my Jaws Australia Group at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz/
>
> Hi.
> could some one take a look at my site and give me feedback, if you can
> read the text, blind and vision impaired users, if they can read the
> text, etc.
> and what other accessability features, i may need to put in, or
> general comments or feedback.
> cheers Marvin.
> --
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Re: [WSG] WCAG conformance and checking

[Jon Gunderson]

Simon,

Some free tools from the university of Illinois are:

Functional Accessibility Evaluator
http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu

Firefox Accessibility Extension
http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu

Here is an FAE report on your page and you are doing a GREAT job on
accessibility:
http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/report.php?id=w4733add8e6bae&pc=6&type=summary

Jon

P.S If anyone is interested in Web 2.0 accessibility issues, here is a
online class I am offering:
http://web20online.cita.uiuc.edu/


On Oct 26, 2007 4:00 AM, Simon Cockayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am on a mission to get the microsite that I built for my wife
> http://phd.london.edu/ygrushkacockayne/ to conform to W3C's "Web Content
> Accessibility Guidelines 1.0", available at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WAI-WEBCONTENT-19990505, level Double-A.
>
> I am reading http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/ and
> http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT-TECHS/.
>
> I realize no automated checking is foolproof...but are there any good
> automated tools to assist in WCAG conformance checking? ( I hear "cynthia"
> mentioned from time to time...any good/any details? Any others?
>
> Any good Firefox extensions/plug-ins?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Simon
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[WSG] Web Accessibility Workshops at the University of Illinois at Champaign/Urbana

[Jon Gunderson]

The following are a series of hands-on workshops related to learning how to
create universally accessible web resources to give participants the skill
they need to create functionally accessible web resources.

2-Day 
Universal
Design Workshop for Web Developers using Web Standards
*Time: *9:00 am - 5:00 pm*Room: *Suite
26, Room 27 - Illini Hall Computing Lab*Location: Champaign, IL USA**Contact:
*Christy Blew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*Register:*
http://www.oir.uiuc.edu/fast3/registration_form.htm
Publishing Office to the
Web
*Date: *June 5th
*Time: *10:00 am - 3:00 pm*Room: *Suite 26, Room 27 - Illini Hall Computing
Lab*Location: Champaign, IL USA
**Contact: *Christy Blew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*Register:*
http://www.oir.uiuc.edu/fast3/registration_form.htm
Crerating Accessible PDF Documents *Date: *June
15th
*Time: *10:00 am - 3:00 pm*Room: *Suite 26, Room 27 - Illini Hall Computing
Lab*Location: Champaign, IL USA
**Contact: *Christy Blew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*Register:*
http://www.oir.uiuc.edu/fast3/registration_form.htm
Publishing Office to the
Web
*Date: *July 13th
*Time: *10:00 am - 3:00 pm*Room: *Suite 26, Room 27 - Illini Hall Computing
Lab*Location: Champaign, IL  USA
**Contact: *Christy Blew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*Register:*
http://www.oir.uiuc.edu/fast3/registration_form.htm


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[WSG] New version of the Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator is available

[Jon Gunderson]

New version of the Illinois Functional Accessibility Evaluator available:

http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu

Sign up for FREE account and test web sites two links deep.

Major New Features Include:

* The Sitewide Report now provides information for each test result
indicating which pages passed or failed.

* In both the Page and Sitewide Reports, rules are stated more
succinctly and independently of numerical results.

* A 'Rules Summary' page is now provided in 'About FAE', which lists
all Best Practices and associated criteria used in FAE tests.

* The HTML Standards test for the character encoding declaration now
evaluates only to 'pass' or 'warn'.

* A problem was fixed with the test for data tables relating to the
number of rows and columns required.


A reminder that dynamically generated web pages can be tested using the
Firefox Accessibility Extension using the Tools -> FAE Report Option.

http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu

Jon


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[WSG] ODF Accessibility Checking and Repair Tool

[Jon Gunderson]

Computer Science students at the University of Illinois are working on an
web based Open Document Format (ODF) accessibility checking and repair tool
for improving the accessibility of ODF documents to people with
disabilities.  They have just added some repair features and would love your
feedback on the features and usability of the tool.

http://odf.cita.uiuc.edu

Jon


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[WSG] Firefox Accessibility Extension 1.0: New features to test dynamically generated web pages for accessibility

[Jon Gunderson]

The Firefox Accessibility Extension 1.0 is a free tool which has an
important NEW feature to test dynamically generated web resources (client
side javascripting to generate html content) for functional web
accessibility features.

Download a give it a try:
http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu

New Feature highlights in version 1.0
1. Improved menu and toolbar layout that is more consistent
  with Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator (FAE)
  reports and CITES/DRES Web Accessibility Best Practices to
  implement Section 508 and W3C Web Content Accessibility
  Guidelines.

  Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator
  http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu

  CITES/DRES Web Accessibility Best Practices
  http://html.cita.uiuc.edu

2. Test Dynamically generated web resources using the "FAE
  Report" feature.  It sends a snap shot of the current DOM
  to FAE and returns a report to the user.

  http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu/tools.php

3. Links to other accessibility testing tools
  WebAIM Wave
  Cynthia Says
  WebXact
  TAW

4. Compatible with Firefox 2.0

Jon


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Re: [WSG] Validation problem

[Jon Gunderson]

The Mozilla/Firefox accessibility extension provides a means
to view labels or lack of labels from with Mozilla or Firefox.

http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/software/mozilla/

Jon



 Original message 
>Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:58:12 +0100
>From: Kim Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
>Subject: Re: [WSG] Validation problem  
>To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
>
>Excellent. Thanks everyone... and why didn't I ask before!
>
>Kim Kruse wrote:
>
>> When I run this site http://mouseriders.dk/index.php
through Cynthia 
>> validator (level 1,2,3)  it fails Priority 2 - forms 12.4.3
and I just 
>> can't figure out why. Could someone please explain it to
me? Thanks a lot
>>
>
>-- 
>
>
>Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
>
>Kim Kruse
>-
>http://www.mouseriders.dk
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RE: [WSG] Screen reader recommendations???

[Jon Gunderson]

There is also the Mozilla/Firefox accessibility extension that
provides features for testing web resources for functional
accessibility, including headers, links, form labels, frame
labels, and table headers.  Styling features to disable layout
tables, disabling CSS styling and high contrast tyle sheet. 
Accessing the ALT text for images.

http://cita.disability.uiuc.edu/software/mozilla/

Jon


 Original message 
>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:05:20 -0500
>From: "Berman, Pamela E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
>Subject: RE: [WSG] Screen reader recommendations???  
>To: 
>
>
>There is also Fire Vox, a free screen reader extension created by
>Charles L. Chen for Firefox. It allows you to navigate from
the headings
>list, links list, etc. which can give you a better
understanding for how
>some screen readers operate apart from just reading the screen.
>https://webspace.utexas.edu/chencl1/clc-4-tts/index.html
>
>
>Also, Kurzweil 3000 http://www.kurzweiledu.com/products.asp
is becoming
>popular among users with cognitive and learning disabilities.
>
>
>Pam Berman
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike at 
>> Green-Beast.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:19 AM
>> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
>> Subject: Re: [WSG] Screen reader recommendations???
>> 
>> Hello Michael,
>> 
>> Try the Opera 8.5 browser [1]. Sounds very much like the 
>> stand-alone products and it's very simple and convenient to 
>> use. Great test tool.
>> 
>>  [1] http://www.opera.com/
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Mike Cherim
>> http://green-beast.com/
>> http://accessites.org/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Michael Yeaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:52 AM
>> Subject: [WSG] Screen reader recommendations???
>> 
>> 
>> Are there any recommendations for screen readers to test 
>> with  I'd like
>> to at least 'preview' what our site(s) sound like to such a
user.
>> 
>> Thanx...
>> Mike
>> 
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Re: [WSG] Screen reader recommendations???

[Jon Gunderson]

The main screen readers in the United States are:

GW-Micro Windoweyes ($795)
http://www.gwmicro.com/

JAWS for Windows ($1,395)
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws.asp

These have demo versions that run for 40 minutes and then you
need to reboot your computer, if you want to try before you
purchase.

For developer testing in speech there is "IBM Home Page Reader
" is very affordable at $150.
http://www-306.ibm.com/able/


 Original message 
>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:52:10 -0500
>From: "Michael Yeaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
>Subject: [WSG] Screen reader recommendations???  
>To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
>
>   Are there any recommendations for screen readers to
>   test with  I'd like to at least 'preview' what
>   our site(s) sound like to such a user.
>
>   Thanx...
>   Mike


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Re: [WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1

[Jon Gunderson]

What are people doing to markup lists of links, like bread
crumbs.  There seems to be some consensus that UL and LI
elements should be used for each link with CSS styling.  

But what about giving the list of links a title for use by
screen reader users or people who are using technologies that
do not support style sheets or have applied their own
stylesheet, for example to improve readability for someone
with low vision.

Should a header (H2) be used or could the UL.TITLE attribute
be used.  Interested in peoples experience and opinions.

Jon


 Original message 
>Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:19:45 +
>From: Ian Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
>Subject: Re: [WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1  
>To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
>
>Kevin Futter wrote:
>
>> Anyway, for the benefit of others interested in this
thread/topic, the
>> upshot from the above link seems to be that the pipe
character (|) is the
>> best compromise currently available as a screen
reader-friendly element
>> separator.
>
>I profoundly disagree with that. The vertical bar is the
worst thing you 
>can use in a breadcrumb trail, regardless of how it reads in
a screen 
>reader. This is conventionally used on the web as a separator
for 
>sibling links, and it really doesn't work as a breadcrumb
separator for 
>sighted users.
>
>I don't think a list is appropriate markup for breadcrumbs
and prefer 
>the conventional "You are in: home > products > foo"
>
>Screen reader users in our user testing on sites with this
construct had 
>no problems with it reading "home  greater than products
greater than 
>foo", and reported that it was a very useful aid.
>
>You should not overlook the vital importance of the visual
direction 
>implied by the > character. This is a crucial means of
showing that it 
>is a hierarchical relationship. Not all accessibility is
about screen 
>reader users after all. The conventional breadcrumb with ">"
is a 
>working compromise which has proven to be a good tool in
usable sites.
>
>Cheers
>
>Ian
>
>
>-- 
>_
>zStudio - Web development and accessibility
>http://zStudio.co.uk
>
>Snippetz.net - Online code library
>File, manage and re-use your code snippets & links
>http://snippetz.net
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Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

[Jon Gunderson]

David,
It looks like they may have disabled the rendering of images
(advanced tab of Internet Options), enabled the feature to
ignore font color, font size and font family options
(Accessibility button in Internet Options).  

Jon




 Original message 
>Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:02:07 +
>From: Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
>Subject: Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?  
>To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
>
>   David Nicol wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>  
> I would appreciate it very much if you could look
> at this site: http://www.visitshetland.com/
>  
> I have already checked it on several different
> machines and everything seems to be working fine.
>  
> Today I received a call from someone saying that
> the site would not display correctly. They sent me
> a screenshot, which I have uploaded for you to
> see: http://www.nbcommunication.com/vs/vs20-02-06
>  
> This person was using IE6, on a brand new laptop.
>  
>  
> Does anyone else get the same problem as this
> user?
>  
> Are there any other layout problems that I may not
> be aware of?
>  
>  
> I am hopeful that your feedback will enable me to
> solve this problem.
>  
> Thank you in advance for your kind assistance. I
> appreciate it very much.
>  
> Kind regards
> David Nicol
> www.nbcommunication.com
>
>   It looks fine in IE6 to me! (Win XP).  However,
>   increasing the font-size blows it apart very quickly
>   . . .
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Bob McClelland
>
> Cornwall (UK)
> www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
>
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RE: [WSG] just sharing the frustration

[Jon Gunderson]

Another tool is a HTML+CSS conversion Wizard for Microsoft
Documents.  It converts word, powepoint and excel charts to
valid xhtml+css and also supports accessibility to people with
disabilities.

http://www.accessiblewizards.uiuc.edu/

Jon


 Original message 
>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:31:25 -0800
>From: "Ted Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
>Subject: RE: [WSG] just sharing the frustration  
>To: 
>
>Give you writers a very quick lesson in standards. They apply
to writing in
>Word just as much as the web.  Don't assume they know about
headers,
>unordered lists, ordered lists, etc. The more they use these
basic
>structural elements in their word documents, the quicker your
work will be.
>It makes sense for everyone.
>
>You could even help them set up a basic style sheet to keep
them from
>constantly changing fonts and font sizes.
>
>A properly marked up word document will paste into the design
view of
>Dreamweaver very easily. Usually you will only need to do a
search for empty
>paragraph tags and you're done.
>
>Dreamweaver will also allow you to select a bunch of
paragraphs and hit the
>unordered list button to instantly convert them to a list. 
>
>Yes, coders can still use the wysiwyg interfaces.
>
>
>Ted
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On Behalf Of Zulema
>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:00 PM
>To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
>Subject: Re: [WSG] just sharing the frustration
>
>Samuel/Ted/Jay,
>
>Wow! I will remember all this for the next time, since I do a
lot of 
>Word-to-HTML converting.
>
>The crazy thing about this one particular Word doc was that
it wasn't in 
>formatted bulleted lists because it was copy extracted from a
PDF we got 
>from the client as it seems they didn't have the original
copy deck 
>anymore I think.
>
>Oh well, live and learn. I'm going to find HTMLTidy (which I
had but 
>lost on hard drive replace last year) and look up HTML-Kit. I
do usually 
>copy/paste right into the design view in dreamweaver for
simple stuff. 
>It really does the trick sometimes, if no one's tried it.
>
>The writers here at work only work in Word because of the "Track 
>Changes" feature. Makes it easy for everyone to know what's
been changed.
>
>Thanks again and hugs to all,
>Zulema
>
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