RE: Politically Correct Terminology (was RE: [WSG] New front page for http://abc.net.au/)
Hi John, Thanks for the resources - really interesting (and I don't think you're being contrary). Nikki Maxima Consult -- Web Access, Web Sales, Web Profit Providers of internet marketing services and accessible ebusiness solutions. Nicola Rae Maxima Consult www.webaccessforeveryone.co.uk 0044 (0)1273 476709 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Foliot - WATS.ca Sent: 04 August 2005 13:15 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Politically Correct Terminology (was RE: [WSG] New front page for http://abc.net.au/) Nicola Rae wrote: Hi, Just to chip in, I am writing a couple of articles for GAWDS (guild of Accessible Web Designers) and have it on authority from them that the correct terms to use are: In the UK - instead of 'users with disabilities' - it should be 'disabled users'. In the UK - instead of 'physical disabilities' - it should be 'physical impairment'. As I also thought it was users with disabilities. Nikki For What it's Worth Dept About 3 years ago, I received permission to mirror the following Words With Dignity (http://wats.ca/resources/wordswithdignity/35), created by the Active Living Alliance, a NGO here in Canada (http://www.ala.ca/content/home.asp). So, not to be contrary to Nikki, it seems that it may also be a cultural thing, as the ALA suggest Person(s) with a disability. Perhaps their final advice is most relevant: Remember, appropriate terminology changes with the times. If in doubt, ask. Most people with a disability will be more than willing to help you. HTH JF -- John Foliot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Accessibility Specialist / Co-founder of WATS.ca Web Accessibility Testing and Services http://www.wats.ca Phone: 1-613-482-7053 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] New front page for http://abc.net.au/
Hi, Just to chip in, I am writing a couple of articles for GAWDS (guild of Accessible Web Designers) and have it on authority from them that the correct terms to use are: In the UK - instead of 'users with disabilities' - it should be 'disabled users'. In the UK - instead of 'physical disabilities' - it should be 'physical impairment'. As I also thought it was users with disabilities. Nikki Maxima Consult -- Web Access, Web Sales, Web Profit Providers of internet marketing services and accessible ebusiness solutions. Nicola Rae Maxima Consult www.webaccessforeveryone.co.uk 0044 (0)1273 476709 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terrence Wood Sent: 04 August 2005 04:43 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: Terrence Wood Subject: Re: [WSG] New front page for http://abc.net.au/ On 4 Aug 2005, at 2:55 PM, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: Actually we have done some usability testing with a range of disabled users recently. The site we tested did not have any dropdowns, however in particular users with hearing disabilities and cognitive disabilities asked for dropdowns to be added. I wonder why people with hearing disabilities requested dropdowns, is this result (statistically) valid, or just observed within your group? btw, I'm pretty sure the correct term to use users with disabilities. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] HR - Presentation or Structure?
taping a 30 second conversation between husband and wife is using a medium the cassette and tape recorder, and it is not catching the visual cues of non verbal communication. Audio tapes are unable to convey visual information although they can convey non verbal communication as u say by inflection and tone etc,.. To use a tape is to miss a lot of information conveyed in that conversation not to simplify it. Just, my thoughts.. Nikki Maxima Consult -- Web Access, Web Sales, Web Profit Providers of internet marketing servicesand accessible ebusiness solutions. Nicola Rae Maxima Consult www.webaccessforeveryone.co.uk 0044 (0)1273 476709 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenny Graham Sent: 13 July 2005 02:48 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] HR - Presentation or Structure? Tape a 30 second conversation between a husband and a wife, and there are no headers or pages.It's a different ball game. Almost all forms of communication begin as structured content in the form of thoughts. You mentally structure what you want to say into sentences, you want parts of those sentences to be emphasized, etc. Then, depending on the medium you want to present those thoughts in (speech, literature, etc), you convert those abstract concepts into things like inflection and pauses for speech, and periods and italics for literature. In my understanding, XHTML/XML is a way of recording that pure structured information before limiting it to the constraints of a specific medium. It is not to record that information after it has been constrained to speech. Also, grouping headers with pages is flawed logic. Headers have a semantic meaning, while pages are, once again, a constraint of certain presentation mediums.
RE: [WSG] HR - Presentation or Structure?
Agreed. Information can be conveyed through graphical representation too. Its still all 1s and 0s at the end of the day. Nikki Maxima Consult -- Web Access, Web Sales, Web Profit Providers of internet marketing servicesand accessible ebusiness solutions. Nicola Rae Maxima Consult www.webaccessforeveryone.co.uk 0044 (0)1273 476709 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Whitehurst Sent: 12 July 2005 20:07 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] HR - Presentation or Structure? Why should sighted people not be allowed to appreciate art online? Mike Whitehurst www.mike-whitehurst.co.uk - Original Message - From: Laura Carlson To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] HR - Presentation or Structure? The web was built as a means to disseminate information. Patrick is correct. The web is not a visual medium. Some marketers, graphic artists and designers may be shocked to learn that. The web is an information medium. One way in which that information is conveyed is visually, to user agents (web browsers). But that's not the only way. HTML is designed with a specific structure that allows for semantic meaning and content to be conveyed independent of a particular means of representation. In other words, HTML can be interpreted in terms of visual display and appearance - but it doesn't have to be. When designers began designing only visual web pages during the browser wars as Patrick mentioned, they began to miss the boat skipping a lot of the true power of HTML, as it allows for far more than simply laying out pretty images and colors next to each other. Many web authors have had skewed mind sets in this respect, and only built visual web pages. Don't get me wrong, nothing is wrong with having a great visual representation. But be careful not to confuse the display of a web page with the actual page itself. This impacts visually impaired people. If your page is designed to be simply a visual object, you'll lose this audience (and any number of other non-visual browser agents), but if your page is structured around sound principles of semantic markup and intelligent presentation, it should be as usable for someone completely blind as for someone with perfect vision. Of course, users with visual impairments are not the only people with special needs that need to be kept in mind. Other disabilities, especially motor disabilities but including many others from lack of hearing to cognitive disabilities, and likewise have restricted access to websites. The goal should be to design in a way that includes everyone-that's the power of the web. Laura ___ Laura L. Carlson Information Technology Systems and Services University of Minnesota Duluth Duluth, MN, U.S.A. 55812-3009 http://www.d.umn.edu/goto/webdesign/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] A web culture
Piero, I think there are quite a few movies dealing with the web e.g. The Net, Sandra Bullock, 1995. Also, the web is used to promote art culture. Why do u think that art culture isnt interested? Nikki Maxima Consult -- Web Access, Web Sales, Web Profit Providers of internet marketing servicesand accessible ebusiness solutions. Nicola Rae Maxima Consult www.webaccessforeveryone.co.uk 0044 (0)1273 476709 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Piero Fissore Sent: 30 June 2005 10:31 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] A web culture Why there is not any movie, song or books (novels) that deal about web? I mean, it's an instrument that have changed our live (and it will change it again). It seams like art isn't interested in. Why? Why do not exist a web culture?
