Re: [WSG] SEO and headers order
Hi Caleb, I might be wrong but anecdotal evidence suggests order is not an 'issue' for bots scanning your site. I'm other words by in large so long as your code is structured correctly your h1, h2 etc will be indexed appropriately. The only caveat/exception is non-valid code. Also, long, heavy and bloated code where important tag info is burried way down the page, can impact on indexability - stuff that's simply not best practice. -- rob // Rob Enslin // twitter.com/robenslin On 15 Apr 2009, at 06:21, Caleb Wong carbon.ca...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a SEO question regarding how search engines scans a website. Say for example if I have a site where it has a 3 column layout. Column left and column right appears before the middle column area, and within column left, right there are h2, h3 tags; within the middle column there is a h1 tag. The source code goes something like this... column_right h2 /column_right column_left h2 /column_left column_middle h1 /column_middle So would search engines pick up on the h1 header that appears at the bottom of the page, or picks up on the first header (regardless its weight) it sees. Cheers Caleb *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Text-only version
Hi Ben, cynical/suspicious about what suppliers claim in the pre-signoff phase I agree - that's why I questioned it. With my internal clients a little naive displaying this long list of 'pieces of functionality' broken down it conveys the impression that there's a lot of 'extra' work involved. To see this exact billable function in action check out: http://www.kbb.co.uk/intkbb08/ scroll to the footer where you'll see 'Text only version' which then takes you to: http://www.kbb.co.uk/cgi-events/betsie.pl I'm quering whether: a) it should appear on the breakdown in the pricing quote and b) whether this is actually good web standards practice (or outdated with little value) Thanks again, -- Rob 2008/11/21 Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you think it's a service I should be paying for? Although not expensive, I'm wondering why the 'functionality' needs to be highlighted at all? Surely, it's the same as saying we'll charge you separately for css or html markup? I'm naturally cynical/suspicious about what suppliers claim in the pre-signoff phase. Generally everything's a lot easier, more stuff is included and nothing is impossible.until the ink hits paper ;) In this instance I'd be asking them why the site needs a text-only alternative! It smells rather like they're going to build a table-based site or some other thing that's not accessible, then create a whole second version instead of doing the first one the right way. Alternatively they may just be setting up an easy way for users to disable styles. But you should get them to explain a bit further. cheers, Ben -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Text-only version
Hi Patrick, Appreciate the feedback - thought as much, but always worth checking with the pros. Best, --Rob On 20 Nov 2008, at 20:39, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Enslin wrote: I'm involved in a CMS-based website project where the supplier has provided me with a breakdown of costs - before I sign it off. One of the items highlighted in the breakdown is a footer-accessed link for a text-only version. The supplier claims it's the same technology used/developed by the BBC - called Betsie. In this day and age, a text-only version benefits nobody anymore. It's unnecessary, if the actual site is built properly. Ask the supplier to leave it out. Oh, Betsie is also quite antiquated and, incidentally, open source http://betsie.sourceforge.net/ P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS editors
Don't know about 'best' but I use Dreamweaver. Rob 2008/10/20 Gicela Morales [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone, I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook :-) but was wondering about the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend? I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences? Kind regards, Gicela *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Code for Firefox, hack for IE
Hi David, Good question you raise. This's how I've been working for years - design for the most standards-compliant browser, FF. Could it be that we code for FF because it's easier to debug (Firebug)? Or perhaps, that most designers hear of/read articles about IE hacks assuming that it's the least compliant? I'd be interested if anyone can 'validate' this argument as I'm sure a lot of designers are of the same opinion. Rob 2008/9/1 David McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, For a while now, I've been operating on the principle Code for Firefox, hack for IE. That is, writing CSS for the most standards-compliant browser, and then making adjustments for non-standard behaviour. I said this in a meeting last week to argue a point and my boss said who says?. I could have said me, but maybe that's not a good enough answer. Somewhere some years ago I read this, or heard someone at a conference or something and it got stuck in my head. Is this the way anyone works? Is it the best way to work? Does anyone know where I got this idea from? Book? Blog? A bit of googling this afternoon turned up not very much. Thanks, David *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- / Rob Enslin / enslin.co.uk / twitter.com/robenslin / +44759 052 8890 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility
Hi Jason, Why don't you turn the convincing angle up-side-down? Instead of pulling the 'accessibility' pitch focus on the performance and customizability of having a CSS-driven navigation (accessibility will follow naturally). Perhaps you could prepare two versions of a similar looking navigation (one image one css) and run a performance test. Show the results and hopefully convince your client to choose wisely? Only a thought. Rob 2008/8/27 Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good Morning everyone! I have a client that wants me to write his navigation mostly as a picture and then use image maps to get to the actual links. I am wondering, how would I go about convincing my client that this isn't the best way to do it? I personally think that some nice text links, styled properly with CSS would look just as good if not better then image maps. Oh, and to put it into context, it's a picture rating site so I don't know that Blind users are going to be too much of a concern for him since they can't see what the main part of the site is for. Any info I could get about this would be wonderful! Thanks everyone! -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 11287 James St Holland, MI 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- / Rob Enslin / enslin.co.uk / twitter.com/robenslin / +44759 052 8890 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list
Hi James, My understanding is that if the content is tabular data / data list in nature then tables should be used. If your page had a dynamic element to it - say being able to sort your product by price then the best way to mark it up is by tables (IMO)... with JS. Would be interesting to get other views... Rob 2008/8/11 James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is the current mark-up h3Body Art/h3 table captionBody Art Price List/caption thead tr thProduct/th thPrice/th /tr /thead tbody tr tdSmall (writing only, per letter)/td td£10/td /tr tr tdLarge (writing only, per letter)/td td£20/td /tr tr tdSmall (single color)/td td£40/td /tr tr tdMedium (single color)/td td£80/td /tr tr tdLarge (single color)/td td£110/td /tr tr tdSmall (3 colors)/td td£90/td /tr tr tdMedium (3 colors)/td td£180/td /tr tr tdLarge (3 color)/td td£250/td /tr /tbody /table *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- / Rob Enslin / enslin.co.uk / twitter.com/robenslin / +44759 052 8890 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list
James, sounds like you've answered your own question/doubt then? Perhaps you should head your 'list' as h1Prices/h1 and not h1Price List/h1? 2008/8/11 James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disagree. Many shopping carts on the web have product lists or summarys marked up in a table. When you look at it from the point of view where one column is the products and the other is the price, and another is VAT per product its more semantic to do it that way. Again, just because something is a list does not mean it should be in a list. Take for example students grades. The school needs to list the name, the subject, the expected grade, the outcome (30/30) and a percentage (100%). You could easily say its a list of students grades, because it is, but you are not going to put that into a list because it would be wrong to. James On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A list is the most appropriate for a list. The fact that price list states list DOES mean a list should be used - when you use the term list that's what the user then expects it to be. If you don't want to use a list (for whatever pedantic reason) then don't call it one. If you want to use a table, call it a table. Not using a list when a list is appropriate is just as bad as not using a table when a table is appropriate. On Mon, August 11, 2008 9:31 am, silky wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 6:01 PM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the past I have tryed to avoid tables as much as possible and sometimes going as far as using lists for data that should be placed in tables. I am trying to sway away from the 'never use tables' crowd and have started to use them when they need to be used. I am working on a tattoo website and the client wants a list of pricing for tattoos and peircings. Would you say this is a good candidate for a table? use a table. those that say 'never use tables' are insane and often think that 'css' and 'tables' are mutually exclusive. i ignore those people. tables are perfectly appropriate for this situation. Although 'price list' states list, its not to say that a list should be used. Any ideas. James -- silky http://www.themonkeynet.com/armada/ http://www.boxofgoodfeelings.com/ http://www.themonkeynet.com/ http://lets.coozi.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- / Rob Enslin / enslin.co.uk / twitter.com/robenslin / +44759 052 8890 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] IE6/7 behaviour
Hi all, if this is off topic I apologise in advance.
I have a slight issue with IE (surprise surprise) on a page I'm *working*
on. In FF and Safari (PC and Mac) my page is centred (#wrap). In IE it's
not. Although not a standards-based question (I think) I wonder if anyone
has the 'fix' for it?
Code CSS snippet:
body {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
#wrap {
width: 832px;
margin: 0 auto;
}
The page: http://www.servicemanagement.co.uk/new.htm
Many thanks in advance,
Rob
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Re: [WSG] IE6/7 behaviour
Hi @Gonzalo - fantastic! Thank you.
Rob
[Moleskin note book where are you?]
2008/6/24 Gonzalo González Mora [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all, if this is off topic I apologise in advance.
I have a slight issue with IE (surprise surprise) on a page I'm *working*
on. In FF and Safari (PC and Mac) my page is centred (#wrap). In IE it's
not. Although not a standards-based question (I think) I wonder if anyone
has the 'fix' for it?
Code CSS snippet:
body {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
#wrap {
width: 832px;
margin: 0 auto;
}
The page: http://www.servicemanagement.co.uk/new.htm
Many thanks in advance,
Rob
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Hi Rob,
Try adding text-align:center; to the body and text-align:left; to the
#wrap.
Gonzalo
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Re: [WSG] IE6/7 behaviour
Hi @James and @Gunlaug, Points noted on the page declaration issues. Thanks. Rob 2008/6/24 James Pickering [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The combination of declarations you have now is a somewhat new one - to me at least. An XML declaration has no place above an HTML DTD in an HTML document, and the DTD is incomplete and triggers quirks mode in all browsers... http://gutfeldt.ch/matthias/articles/doctypeswitch/table.html Indeed, the XML declaration has no place here, and XHTML Markup is being used with an HTML 4.01 Transitional (?) Doctype. James -- http://jp29.org/ Semantic Web Page Authoring Validated: HTML/XHTML/XHTML+RDFa ~ CSS ~ RDF/XML - DC Metadata/RSS Feed *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Rob Enslin Blog: http://enslin.co.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/robenslin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] html vs. html
Joe wrote: PS: the subject should really be htm vs html, no? or am I missing something? Yes - should have been htm vs html. And, I don't feel comfortable revealing the CMS vendor as we currently have a *great* working relationship and don't want to upset that ;-) [sure you understand] Rob 2008/6/20 Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Exactly! But as you know, old conventions die hard! Joe On Jun 20, 2008, at 10:19, Ian Chamberlain wrote: My memory is fading fast Joe, but as I recall our first windows based web server (from Bob Denny's book) fixed the 8.3 limitation. We did continue creating .htm for a while after that but only out of habit. I can't remember the exact date but I would quess that we have been largely free from that limitation for well over ten years. Regards Ian - Original Message - From: Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] html vs. html The question wasn't about keeping file extensions in URIs it was about what file extension the file should have, which I am sure you will agree is still required as the server needs to know if it is an html, php, css, js, etc file doesn't it. But I completely agree, my server can serve a file.php file from www.domain.com/file as long as don't stupidly name the file the same as a directory at the same level. I may be that _at one time_ the windows server needed a 8.3 filename convention but that went out the door ages ago didn't it? PS: the subject should really be htm vs html, no? or am I missing something? Joe On Jun 20, 2008, at 08:55, Martin Kliehm wrote: On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Enslin wrote: I recently started noticing that our CMS system generated .htm pages where previously the system produced .html pages. I questioned the support staff and was told that the W3C deemed .html as non-standard file extensions (or rather .htm were more-widely accepted as the standard) Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. Challenge the support staff to actually point out where this statement from the W3C is supposed to be... I'd have to agree; I'm inclined to believe that .htm is a carryover from when Microsoft(TM) products (ie DOS) only supported file extensions up to 3 characters in length. If there is a W3C statement, I'd love to see it. Oh, there is. The W3C advises to avoid file extensions in URLs to keep future compliant. Cool URIs don't change, you know. ;) http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.typingthevoid.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.typingthevoid.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Rob Enslin Blog: http://enslin.co.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/robenslin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] html vs. html - neither.
I must say that I find it quite alarming that any professional web developers believe that a CMS must produce URLs for dynamically generated pages (not files) which say .htm or .html on the end. Dave, it's not that they (CMS vendor) believes it needs to be done or indeed compulsory, it's merely a case of 'this is what our system produces by deflault'. I just happened to notice the change and flagged it up with them as simply asked why? Incidently, in the CMS I'm refering to it allows the administrator to remove extensions if desired. So, I could have http://mysite.com/register as a web page. Rob 2008/6/20 Dave Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I must say that I find it quite alarming that any professional web developers believe that a CMS must produce URLs for dynamically generated pages (not files) which say .htm or .html on the end. My colleagues and I have adopted sites built by such developers, and I can tell you that misconceptions like the necessity of .htm or .html suffices were only the tip of iceberg. If a site is actually a legacy static site made up of files, then . might be relevant (although setting up webserver rules to abstract away file suffice is pretty trivial, and it's much nicer for URL readability and SEO), but nowadays if you're building a dynamic site on a decent CMS, adding the .html (never .htm - that demonstrates dubious taste in server OSs) to the end of URLs for dynamically generated content is painfully old school and, as the W3C and other posters have pointed out, quite unnecessary - sort of like a www on the front of a web URL is (or should be). Dave Rob Enslin wrote: Hi peeps, I recently started noticing that our CMS system generated .htm pages where previously the system produced .html pages. I questioned the support staff and was told that the W3C deemed .html as non-standard file extensions (or rather .htm were more-widely accepted as the standard) Is this true? Any thoughts? Cheers, Rob -- Rob Enslin Blog: http://enslin.co.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/robenslin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Dave Lane = Egressive Ltd = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = m: +64 21 229 8147 p: +64 3 9633733 = Linux: it just tastes better = nosoftwarepatents http://egressive.com we only use open standards: http://w3.org Effusion Group Founding Member === http://effusiongroup.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Rob Enslin Blog: http://enslin.co.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/robenslin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] html vs. html
Many thanks for all the input. Now for the fun part... go back to the CMS vendor who made the claim and ask for some proof ;-) Have a great day/night. Rob 2008/6/19 Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jonathan D'mello To go off on a tangent Patrick, this is getting to be a rather common excuse from some developers. If they don't want to change code, they say it will break W3C standards. Sorry, I just re-read this and realised that I completely got the wrong conversation. I thought for some reason that this was in reply to the [WSG] Marking Up Poems discussion, and that it was in defense of not following standards. Crikey... Profuse apologies! I obviously haven't had enough coffee this morning...disregard my passionate reply rant... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Rob Enslin Blog: http://enslin.co.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/robenslin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] html vs. html
Hi peeps, I recently started noticing that our CMS system generated .htm pages where previously the system produced .html pages. I questioned the support staff and was told that the W3C deemed .html as non-standard file extensions (or rather .htm were more-widely accepted as the standard) Is this true? Any thoughts? Cheers, Rob -- Rob Enslin Blog: http://enslin.co.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/robenslin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Wiki's and standards
Hello WSG Group, Our company have asked me to look into potential Wiki software for our corporate community (intranet-style). The person driving the Wiki has suggested using Jive's Clearspace ( http://www.jivesoftware.com/products/clearspace). With web standards in mind: 1. Has anyone used Clearspace and have any comments? 2. Any standards-related issues when rolling out a corporate Wiki solution? 3. Any other favoured Wiki software they could recommend and why? Any thoughts, comments or ideas would be great. best, Rob -- Rob Enslin Blog: http://enslin.co.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/robenslin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Tag for quotes
Please could someone help me decide which is the most appropriate tag to use with quotes? These are actual comments made by folk during a show. For example: q pqLIW 2007 was a great show for Technogym. We showcased an exciting 7 new products which our customers loved. LIW is a great event to help us showcase our products and present our latest solutions to the market!/qbr / TECHNOGYM UK LTD/p or cite pciteLIW 2007 was a great show for Technogym. We showcased an exciting 7 new products which our customers loved. LIW is a great event to help us showcase our products and present our latest solutions to the market!/citebr / TECHNOGYM UK LTD/p Any help most appreciated. Thanks, Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Tag for quotes
That's pretty clear. Many thanks Robert, David and Rahul. 2008/5/20 Rahul Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 20-May-08, at 8:43 PM, Rob Enslin wrote: Please could someone help me decide which is the most appropriate tag to use with quotes? The most appropriate tag to use is the blockquote element. I would mark up your content like so: blockquote pLIW 2007 was a great show for Technogym. We showcased an exciting 7 new products which our customers loved. LIW is a great event to help us showcase our products and present our latest solutions to the market!/p pciteTECHNOGYM UK LTD/cite/p /blockquote q The q element should be used for [...] short quotations (inline content) that don't require paragraph breaks. [1]. cite The cite element (or citation) is used to specify the source of the quote, and to use it to mark up a quote would be semantically incorrect. [2] Best, - Rahul. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#h-9.2.2 [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#h-9.2.1 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Rob Enslin http://enslin.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.
I've recently built a website trying to move towards more standards-compliant code. After the delight at pushing the site live my world 'caved in' (a little over-dramatic maybe) this morning when a colleague noticed rogue 'ls. text some way down the home page. Live site: http://www.londoncalling2008.com Screen-grab in IE6: http://www.flickr.com/photos/doos/2384241027/ Testing the site: IE7 - no problem FF2 - no problem Safari/PC - no problem Safari/Mac - no problem FF2/Mac - no problem ** IE6 - PROBLEM (http://www.flickr.com/photos/doos/2384241027/) Could anyone find an explanation for this? -- Rob Enslin http://enslin.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.
Thanks Gunlag and others for their replies - appreciate it. I've removed all the comment tags (that I can through our CMS) and hey presto it's fixed (a great result!) Have a great day, Rob On 03/04/2008, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Enslin wrote: I've recently built a website trying to move towards more standards-compliant code. After the delight at pushing the site live my world 'caved in' (a little over-dramatic maybe) this morning when a colleague noticed rogue 'ls. text some way down the home page. Live site: http://www.londoncalling2008.com Delete HTML-comments, and IE6 will stop duplicating characters. See: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html for more info about that bug. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.
I must admit I'd rather have the comments there - it makes me feel organised. And, as you say it's nice way to guide other coders who might need to update the site. I also agree with Dave Woods: personally find that if you've structured your markup correctly, indented nested elements and named classes/ID's sensibly then you shouldn't really need to use comments anyway. Perhaps having comprehensive content audit documents help solve timeline and code-change notes and rely on descriptive div and class names for code descriptions? On 03/04/2008, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that you should read through the documents on positioniseverything a bit closer. It's not just the comments. Removing comments from source code is a really bad idea for best practices. Other people may have to work on your site and it's a pain to reverse-engineer code. Use native commenting, i.e. /**/ in php, to avoid placing comments in the final source code. But don't treat comments as a problem generator. Look at the answers of PIE, it's a rare bug and there may be better solutions if your comments are useful. If the comments were redundant, than away they go… problem solved. Ted -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rob Enslin *Sent:* Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:15 PM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6. Thanks Gunlag and others for their replies - appreciate it. I've removed all the comment tags (that I can through our CMS) and hey presto it's fixed (a great result!) Have a great day, Rob On 03/04/2008, *Gunlaug Sørtun* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Enslin wrote: I've recently built a website trying to move towards more standards-compliant code. After the delight at pushing the site live my world 'caved in' (a little over-dramatic maybe) this morning when a colleague noticed rogue 'ls. text some way down the home page. Live site: http://www.londoncalling2008.com Delete HTML-comments, and IE6 will stop duplicating characters. See: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html for more info about that bug. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Rob Enslin http://enslin.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] CSS help
Dear Group, I'm a relative newby to web design so please excuse me if this question is simple. The problem: I don't have (or know how to have) a structured system of building my style sheets. I find I keep just adding to the file until problems in my output display start to develop. They very often become messy and conflict-ridden. My style sheets end up being very long and don't cascade well. The question/advise/thoughts: Is there a way, a logical procedure or rule which I should adopt to prevent me from going forwards and backwards and constantly patching it up? Any help from an already helpful discussion forum most appreciated. Thanks, Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS help
@...James, Bruce, Georg and Mike thanks. Plenty reading tonight - this info should get me going. Cheers, Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
