Re: [WSG] Select for menus
Hi Maurinerd, yes, it is for unifei (Universidade Federal de Itajubá ;D) Hi Stuart, Thank you, I will try this, but I'll try another word instead of go, because i've to use portuguese (something like go to because in portuguese go haven't the meaning of enter the site). []'s 2008/7/22 Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A drop down list with a Go button is better than a jump menu for accessibility standards. If a user [can't use a mouse and] has to use the arrow keys for navigating the menu you will find that jump menus tend to open the second option automatically (i.e. when the user first uses the arrow key) and this prevents the user from selecting the option they want. On Tue, July 22, 2008 8:03 pm, Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd wrote: As far as I am aware the select option on a drop down list use's Javascript to make it into a jump menu. If you want to cater to the wider audience I would say using ul and CSS would be a much better option. Maybe have the jump menu but have the javascript de-grade if a users haven't got it and show a drop down menu with CSS? Just an idea. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rochester oliveira Sent: 22 July 2008 19:46 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Select for menus Hi, I'm working on a job for a Brazilian university, and we should put on the page a menu with links for others government websites. See an example : http://www.radiobras.gov.br/estatico/ the yellow bar in the top have a select menu. Should I use ul or follow the other sites and use the select? -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira Web Designer Itajubá - MG - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.4/1566 - Release Date: 22/07/2008 06:00 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira Web Designer Itajubá - MG - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Select for menus
Hi, I'm working on a job for a Brazilian university, and we should put on the page a menu with links for others government websites. See an example : http://www.radiobras.gov.br/estatico/ the yellow bar in the top have a select menu. Should I use ul or follow the other sites and use the select? -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira Web Designer Itajubá - MG - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Select for menus
Hi maurinerd! Thanks :) But the standard for Brazil is not the w3c, which should I follow? Hi Essential eBiz Solutions I'm aware the users don't recognize the menu with ul as the same menu of others sites. Maybe I could make it with the same arrow of the select.. It would be better than use a select, and the users will recognize it :) And Javascript will make the behavior (non-obtrusive for sure) Thank you []'s 2008/7/22 Mauryva Das - Midiaweb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Aloha Jaça/Rochester In terms of usability believe that it is better to use ul The standard for government sites in Brazil is select []'s Maurivan Luiz Em 22/07/2008, às 15:46, Rochester oliveira escreveu: Hi, I'm working on a job for a Brazilian university, and we should put on the page a menu with links for others government websites. See an example : http://www.radiobras.gov.br/estatico/ the yellow bar in the top have a select menu. Should I use ul or follow the other sites and use the select? -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira Web Designer Itajubá - MG - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Maurivan Luiz O Montador de sites Midiaweb - Interactive Agency +55 41 3362 5858 www.midiaweb.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira Web Designer Itajubá - MG - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Should we design for 800x600 screens?
make it fluid and everyone will be happy :) doesn't matter if we have 300px or 1280px, your website should (ok, with some restrictions, like 800-1024) adapt to user's needs 2008/6/10 IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I have a question I'd like to poll people about. Should we still bother designing to fit in with 800x600 screen resolutions or is it Ok to just design for 1024x768 and not worry about smaller resolutions? I know applications like Google Desktop make it more complicated and am interested to hear people's views. IceKat PS- If this has been asked before I apologise and ask if it's possible to see mail archives to see the responses. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira Web Designer Itajubá - MG - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] a target=” blank” not part of xhtml
For acessibility and usabilitty issues i think we shouldn't use this. http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_16_not_opening_new_windows.html http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990530.html http://www.w3.org/WAI/wcag-curric/sam77-0.htm http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-validator/2002Apr/0100.html []'s 2008/3/27, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just read how a target=_blank is not part of xhtml Why not. I can't imagine its better practice to replace it with javascript. http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2004/01/02/targetblank-xhtml-10-strict-conversion/ -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira http://webbemfeita.com/ Viva a Web-Bem-Feita Web Designer Curitiba - PR - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Why is u deprecated?
em and strong are NOT for screen readers. they are for the semantic markup. screen readers do not render em and strong, they read it as plain text. 2008/3/27, IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I do the exact same thing (clicking on underlined text which isn't a link) but it does make it very complicated to create access keys for forms because u was used to show which letter was the access key. Messing around with endless spans will discourage them. I'm really sorry there is no alternative as there is with b and i. Does anyone know an alternative to xmp? I know you can use entitiy codes but this one saved the trouble and is now depreciated. Perhaps they could bring those two back. IceKat Joseph Ortenzi wrote: Very good points b and i are stylistic and em and strong are semantic. u is stylistic, but the intention of an underlined string of text can be expressed with any of the above, dependent on intention. I am one of those severely frustrated people who want to click underlined text so keep it out please... I like underline on hover as useful feedback that it is in fact, a link. Predefined standard colours are less important these days, but good design does seem to favour blue-ish for link as a convention. Joe On Mar 27, 2008, at 09:14, Stuart Foulstone wrote: Hi, Usability. Users expect link-text to be underlined. Many user studies found that when you underline other text users try to click on it and get quite annoyed when nothing happens (some users would click on the underlined text several times before they gave up). Originally links were to have predefined colours that would have avoided this situation, but Web Designers thought better and decided to start styling their link colours as they thought fit. Even though this styling often does not include underlining, users still expect underlined text to mean links. This led to the confusion, so something had to give - it was u. b and i are not deprecated because there may be times when you want to style the text in that way but without the semantic emphasis that em and strong confer. On Thu, March 27, 2008 4:28 am, Kepler Gelotte wrote: Hi, I am just curious if anyone can explain why the u tag has been deprecated while b and i are still allowed. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Kepler Gelotte Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. 156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854 www.neighborwebmaster.com phone/fax: (732) 302-0904 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira http://webbemfeita.com/ Viva a Web-Bem-Feita Web Designer Curitiba - PR - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] background images in HTML emails..
When i need it, i use the background attribute (argh!) table background=http://address; []'s 2008/3/20, Chris Wharton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Navii, I hate to say it but you will get inconsistencies using background images in HTML email. They will more than likely work in Outlook but gmail, hotmail and google will do stange things. Where possible use background colours and not images, you can still be creative within these parameters though. Cheers CW On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Elankeeran / இளங்கீரன் V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your image path should be absolute path i.e, http://www.urwebsitename.com/images/background.gif it will work in the email template -Elankeeran V On 3/20/08, Naveen Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi... anybody can tell me.. how to use background images in html emails. I have a div with background image and text above that... the background image is not displaying :-( help help -- navii *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira http://webbemfeita.com/ Viva a Web-Bem-Feita Web Designer Curitiba - PR - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding
if the intention is give emphasis to this word use em or if is to give stronger emphasis use strong 2008/2/12, Thomas Thomassen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The branding might change. I'm in favour of span with a class, like: span class=logo. - Original Message - From: Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding Do I: a. Use the b tag, or... b. Use a span tag and bold it using CSS? I'd use span, b is deprecated Actually it's not deprecated, not in HTML 4, 5 or XHTML 1. If ever there was a case for the use the 'b' element, this might be a good one. --- Strong is important so, as Rachel stated, it isn't appropriate. A span is fine as others have pointed out, but the b element might also be a sound choice in this case. The b element is a highlight of sorts. That is its semantic value, its role as an element in a web document. From HTML 5: blockquote The b element represents a span of text to be stylistically offset from the normal prose without conveying any extra importance, such as key words in a document abstract, product names in a review, or other spans of text whose typical typographic presentation is boldened. /blockquote It is bold without the importance, at least that is its default rendering. Remember, just because it is bold might not necessarily mean that it is a style. All elements have a default rendering. Strong is bold and so are headings. They all have a role, and we don't think of those as a style. A better way to answer the original question might be to ask: Do you want the value retained in the mark-up, or is it purely a style that painted onto the presentational layer? Or, worded another way, should the boldened treatment exist without styles? If it should, then the b might be best. Otherwise I heartily agreee that the span element should be used. Respectfully, Mike Cherim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira http://webbemfeita.com/ Viva a Web-Bem-Feita Web Designer Curitiba - PR - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Usability for downloading documents
I think that you should make 2 buttons. The user will choice for download or just read the documment []'s - Rochester Oliveira http://webbemfeita.com/ Viva a Web-Bem-Feita Web Designer Curitiba - PR - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Usability for downloading documents
Doesn't have a way to force the don't download? Or you may force download as pdf and make a jpg() for the preview :) 2 buttons for the same action will be a problem for sure. 2008/1/28, Christian Snodgrass [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wording that would be really tricky, because if they're default action is to download it, when they hit Read they'd expect it to just open, not offer them a download prompt. There are a lot of people that would be agitated that both buttons do the same thing. Rochester oliveira wrote: I think that you should make 2 buttons. The user will choice for download or just read the documment []'s - Rochester Oliveira http://webbemfeita.com/ Viva a Web-Bem-Feita Web Designer Curitiba - PR - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira http://webbemfeita.com/ Viva a Web-Bem-Feita Web Designer Curitiba - PR - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Ideas for Corporate Presentation on Web Standards and Semantic Web
I think you may talk about the accessibility issues that semantic and web standards help. You can show what the use of standards can help in the development. 2008/1/17, varun krishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi All, I work for a company where there are about 1000 employees and We are mainly into Web Development. Im taking a presentation on Web Standards and the Semantic Web next week and I want make sure that I put across some really valuable info. Im a web developer and give a lot of importance to web standards. can any one you help me with wat i can talk about ? regards, Varun *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira http://webbemfeita.com/ Viva a Web-Bem-Feita Web Designer Curitiba - PR - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] how to set table column widths with CSS
but IE doesn't render this pseudo-class
2008/1/11, Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Jan 11, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Katrina wrote:
Gday,
Can someone please remind me how to set the width on a simple table
column without suffering classitis?
Doctype: HTML4.01 strict. Must validate.
What is wrong with classes ?
else:
col:first-child {width:10em;}
col:first-child+col {width: 5em;}
...
or
td:first-child {width:10em;}
td:first-child+td {width: 5em;}
...
But: congratulations! your stylesheet just took a beating as far as
performance goes.
Philippe
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Re: [WSG] Acronym element
border:none 2008/1/9, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 1/9/08, Ross Bruniges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so I would recommend if you have control over the content that use use them every time you need (the title doesn't have to be used each time though) cynthia says that each use needs a title for priority 3 validation. i have just dealt with this on my site. dwain btw, how do you get rid of the dotted underline on each abreviation? i tried styling the abbr with text-decoration:none and the underline is still there. any ideas? - -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Acronym element
About the abbr, i think u may use it only once per page but if u want to
speel-out the other times use the css aural.
Example:
Bla bla bla acronym title=World wide web consortiumW3C/acronym
bla bla bla... bla bla span class=spellW3C/span
and the css (media aural) span.spell { *speak: *spell-out }
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2008/1/9, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
thank you.
On 1/9/08, Rochester oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
border:none
btw, how do you get rid of the dotted underline on each abreviation?
i tried styling the abbr with text-decoration:none and the underline is
still there. any ideas?
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