[WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
Hello, Is the start attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to do this? i.e. - ol class=list_style_numeric liinfo/li liinfo/li /ol anything... ol class=list_style_numeric start=3 liinfo /ol Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
The start attribute for lists was deprecated by § 10.2 of the HTML 4.01 specification - http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start. Elliot From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:17 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation Hello, Is the start attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to do this? i.e. - ol class=list_style_numeric liinfo/li liinfo/li /ol anything... ol class=list_style_numeric start=3 liinfo /ol Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is to not break a list apart ever??? From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Chabot, Elliot Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:54 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation The start attribute for lists was deprecated by § 10.2 of the HTML 4.01 specification - http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start . Elliot From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:17 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation Hello, Is the start attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to do this? i.e. - ol class=list_style_numeric liinfo/li liinfo/li /ol anything... ol class=list_style_numeric start=3 liinfo /ol Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
Hi Kevin, If you wish to write HTML5, the start attribute has been rescued from its deprecated state and may be used when needed. Here is the HTML5 working draft describing it: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/semantics.html#attr-ol-start Validating HTML5: W3C: http://qa-dev.w3.org/wmvs/HEAD/#validate_by_upload+with_options Under Document type select HTML5 (I'm not sure how good this one is yet.) Validator.nu (by Henri Sivonen): http://html5.validator.nu/ (This one has been in use for a while.) Hope that helps, Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Technical Writer, Documentation and Localization Core Technologies and Consumer Engineering Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway Mobile: (+47) 95 17 61 11 http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/ On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is to not break a list apart ever??? -- *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *Chabot, Elliot *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:54 AM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation The “start” attribute for lists was deprecated by § 10.2 of the HTML 4.01 specification - * http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start *http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start . Elliot *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.orgli...@webstandardsgroup.org ]* On Behalf Of* Erickson, Kevin (DOE) *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:17 AM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation Hello, Is the start attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to do this? i.e. - ol class=list_style_numeric liinfo/li liinfo/li /ol anything... ol class=list_style_numeric start=3 liinfo /ol Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is to not break a list apart ever??? No, it means when using strict doctypes the attribute is not allowed. If you need both attribute and validation use a transitional doctype or you might try using HTML5, where the start-attribute is reintroduced: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-ol-element Cheers, jens -- Jens Brueckmann http://www.yalf.de *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
On 10 Nov 2009, at 16:43, Jens Brueckmann wrote: Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is to not break a list apart ever??? No, it means when using strict doctypes the attribute is not allowed. It doesn't. There are a number of attributes / elements which are deprecated or appear only in Transitional/Frameset but not both. In this case, the start attribute is both deprecated and does not appear in Strict. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
Excellent information! Thanks!! From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Frank Palinkas Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:36 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation Hi Kevin, If you wish to write HTML5, the start attribute has been rescued from its deprecated state and may be used when needed. Here is the HTML5 working draft describing it: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/semantics.html#attr-ol-start Validating HTML5: W3C: http://qa-dev.w3.org/wmvs/HEAD/#validate_by_upload+with_options Under Document type select HTML5 (I'm not sure how good this one is yet.) Validator.nu (by Henri Sivonen): http://html5.validator.nu/ (This one has been in use for a while.) Hope that helps, Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Technical Writer, Documentation and Localization Core Technologies and Consumer Engineering Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway Mobile: (+47) 95 17 61 11 http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/ On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is to not break a list apart ever??? From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Chabot, Elliot Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:54 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation The start attribute for lists was deprecated by § 10.2 of the HTML 4.01 specification - http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start . Elliot From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:17 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation Hello, Is the start attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to do this? i.e. - ol class=list_style_numeric liinfo/li liinfo/li /ol anything... ol class=list_style_numeric start=3 liinfo /ol Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
