[WSG] Developing for Mixed Browsers - Form Buttons

2008-01-13 Thread John Hancock
This is why most of us are now using default form styling or a very  
simple approach (fieldset, legend, and possibly submit button).


Cameron Adams makes a few good points at: http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/04/28/ 
, and of course - remember that his example button looks different in  
IE, Safari and Firefox! While this article is old, it covers most  
salient points and provides a simple approach that works well. Having  
said that, his 'Submit/Go' button is labelled as '', and the page  
options as \/, and these have two different effects (one shows a menu,  
one takes you to another page). Consistency is key - but remember that  
users usually browse in only one browser at a time.


John Hancock
identity.net.au

PS. On a side-note, can we keep platform discussion to standards and  
implementation? 'My computer is bigger/better/faster/stronger' is  
fairly non-relevant to WSG and most of us aren't on the list to  
receive that kind of post. The cheapest way of getting a Mac testing  
environment is an older tower running OS X, and a G3 (or older)  
running IE5.5 if you care about these things. Personally I run an  
older mac for Safari 2 testing and older Firefox versions (1.5), and a  
newer one running Safari 3 and Firefox 2, alongside a PC running  
Safari, Opera, Firefox and IE7, with IE6 in the usual VPC, and also on  
an older box with remote desktop. If you're retentive about testing,  
then you may also wish to run a suite with flash turned off, a suite  
with javascript turned off and one with CSS turned off - not to  
mention the usual



On 14/01/2008, at 12:47 PM, John Horner wrote:


can I safely develop in non Mac versions and expect
my web sites to behave the same on the Mac?


Behave? Yes. But...

I don't think anyone's made this point yet -- one key difference  
between

the platforms is the display of form elements.

Elements like buttons and select menus and checkboxes, etc., pretty  
much

belong to the operating system and the browser is only borrowing them.
If your design has an expectation that those elements can be finely
controlled, cross-platform, then you might get an unpleasant surprise.

For instance, if you have documentation which says click on the  
button
which looks like this [image of the button from a Windows browser]  
then

Mac users may not have a button which looks like that.

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Re: [WSG] Developing for Mixed Browsers - Form Buttons

2008-01-13 Thread Michael MD
Cameron Adams makes a few good points at: 
http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/04/28/, and of 
course - remember that his example button looks different in IE, Safari and 
Firefox! While this article is old, it covers most salient points and 
provides a simple approach that works well. Having said that, his 
'Submit/Go' button is labelled as '', and the page options as \/, and 
these have two different effects (one shows a menu, one takes you to 
another page). Consistency is key - but remember that users usually browse 
in only one browser at a time.


also default buttons can look different on different versions of Windows... 
(there are still quite a lot of people out there still running Win98! - also 
2000/etc is also still quite common)



receive that kind of post. The cheapest way of getting a Mac testing 
environment is an older tower running OS X,


yep - that's what I did ... got a second-hand G4 tower for $100 about a year 
ago ... dual boot OSX and OS9






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