Re: [WSG] IE7 - The Good the Bad and the Ugly
* More informative Error Pages. As a general usability feature, I thoroughly approve of the more friendly error pages in IE7. That way, when your site's server goes down, people won't just be dumped with a nasty pile of technical text. So long as these are restricted to server not available scenarios, that's fine. However when IE overrides informative errors sent out by the server, things become a real pain (does IE7 always respect server errors?). For example, at work we include a contact form in our 404 response; IE users don't always get it so they can't report the link nor get an email alerting them when the problem is fixed. I've also received quite a few emails from users who were clued in enough to take a screenshot of a problem, but unfortunately IE's friendly message put the server status code way down the bottom, below the fold and as a result not in the screenshot! We had to go back and ask them to send the details again - was it a 404? a 503? something else? Still, the friendly message is probably more reassuring to users *if they read it* :) Ben -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE7 - The Good the Bad and the Ugly
Ben Buchanan wrote: So long as these are restricted to server not available scenarios, that's fine. However when IE overrides informative errors sent out by the server, things become a real pain (does IE7 always respect server errors?). Not tested IE7, but I'd assume that it follows the same rationale as previous versions and only overrides server-generated error pages when they're below a certain size. See http://www.404-error-page.com/404-error-page-too-short-problem-microsoft-ie.shtml -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE7 - The Good the Bad and the Ugly
Ahh, good. Thanks Patrick. Will wait until I can get my hands on that one! On 04/03/06, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason Foss wrote: We've actually noticed a couple of issues in some of our sites when viewed with IE7. Unfortunately I'm at home at the moment and the list is on a whiteboard in the office and I can't remember what they are... :blush: But I will say this - download it if you haven't already and start checking your sites for any potential issues. We're not about to attack any fixes yet (will wait until we get a final release before we start doing that) but it's worth taking note at this stage. Have a sneak peak at the performance of the next beta which will become available on March 20th. Lots of improvements, by the looks of it. http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/the_ie7_mix_06_release.html P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] IE7 - The Good the Bad and the Ugly
I don't know how many of you have tried IE7(currently Beta 2) yet, but It has a number of 'features' that could cause some issues / solve some issues, I thought I would list those that i've experienced and see if I can get some comments on them: * More informative Error Pages. As a general usability feature, I thoroughly approve of the more friendly error pages in IE7. That way, when your site's server goes down, people won't just be dumped with a nasty pile of technical text. * Transparent PNGs This is a good one, I can't wait to begin using transparent PNGs, tho I can see lots of usability issues arising from sites mis-using them. * Default Font Size The IE7 default font size seems a very small, even for me (someone who likes his font sizes at about 70%). Perhaps this will be changed in the final release, but trying to read the Register in IE7 using the default size is pretty taxing. * Zoom function. M$ seem to be trying to cater for everyone by including both font size and overall zoom controls. However their zoom feature doesn't seem to be as well implemented as Opera's one and I have noticed lots of odd effects appearing while zooming. * Invisible Menu-bar I know it's not a WSG issue but: I like what they're doing with the menus. By default, the menu bar is hidden, freeing up screen-space for the tabbar. However, when you press a standard menu shorfut (Alt- f for example), the menu magically appears and then hides again when you've finished. (You can turn the menu-bar back on if you wish). * Tabbed Browsing Well this one was just waiting to happen. I'm not someone who expects my tabs to do lots of wonderfull things so I'm just happy that they're included in IE7. Overall, IE7 seems to be more predictable in it's rendering results that IE6 (and especially IE5) but things have a tendancy to break horribly when zooming. Anyone else have any experiences to add to this list? Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE7 - The Good the Bad and the Ugly
On 03/03/06, Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how many of you have tried IE7(currently Beta 2) yet, but It has a number of 'features' that could cause some issues / solve some issues, I thought I would list those that i've experienced and see if I can get some comments on them: Technically it's not ie7b2. It's the ie7b2p (p for preview). That means a b2 might be released that fixes some of the issues in the current b2p, so make sure you always specify that it's the preview you're talking about, since there might be a release of ie7b2 to follow. Hopefully Microsoft will realise the risk of confusion and make the next release ie7b3, but I wouldn't count on that. -- David liorean Andersson uri:http://liorean.web-graphics.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
