Re: [WSG] International Pages Check
Thanks for the link Paul - that's a good one. Rick: Thanks for checking it out. I thought about the caption idea, and at first thought yeah, that makes sense, but then I figured that if you don't recognise the flag, there's a fair chance you won't speak the language anyway! Or am I just being belligerent? If I'm going to add captions they should be in the foreign language? Cheers Jason. PS is the server still slow? Temporary issue I hope... On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:27:24 -0700, Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no language identified in the DOCTYPE and the html tag (I only checked the Spanish and Mandarin pages). |This link may be helpful:| |http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_7_identifying_your_language.html| || |Paul| || || || Jason Foss wrote: Hi all, This site is still well and truly in draft stage (I know - the menu is still up the spout!) but looking for feedback specifically on the internationalisation of the following pages: http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-german.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-swedish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-spanish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-mandarin.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-cantonese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-japanese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-korean.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-thai.php First time I've had a crack at foreign character sets - any feedback on this aspect of the site would be much appreciated! Cheers Jason ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] International Pages Check
Hello Jason, Paul, Apart from the fact that a user would not always like to see their language associated with the flag of another country, there are other reasons for not using flags. If you want to specify Swiss German, vs Swiss French vs. Swiss Italian sites, you need a second level of choice than that offered by the national flag. Best use the name of the language in the language and script of the country. (For help with this see http://people.w3.org/rishida/names/languages.html ) Note also that the language expressed in the DOCTYPE should not be changed - the DTD is in English. It's the html language attribute that you should change. (I had to explain this to someone recently, so thought I'd mention it.) At the W3C we have been working on the ins and outs of language declarations over the past months (from a content author's perspective). It wasn't as straightforward as we thought! Please take a look at Authoring Techniques for XHTML HTML Internationalization: Specifying the language of content 1.0 [1] for the latest in-edit version of our recommendations. (There's also an attempt to make it easier to get advice on this via a summary page at [2]). For an example of how we do this (on pages that are actually content-language negotiated too), see [3]. Hope that helps, RI [1] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-lang.html [2] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/outline/html-authoring-outline .html [3] http://www.w3.org/International/O-charset Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Foss Sent: 14 November 2004 20:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] International Pages Check Thanks for the link Paul - that's a good one. Rick: Thanks for checking it out. I thought about the caption idea, and at first thought yeah, that makes sense, but then I figured that if you don't recognise the flag, there's a fair chance you won't speak the language anyway! Or am I just being belligerent? If I'm going to add captions they should be in the foreign language? Cheers Jason. PS is the server still slow? Temporary issue I hope... On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:27:24 -0700, Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no language identified in the DOCTYPE and the html tag (I only checked the Spanish and Mandarin pages). |This link may be helpful:| |http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_7_identifying_your_language.html || || |Paul| || || || Jason Foss wrote: Hi all, This site is still well and truly in draft stage (I know - the menu is still up the spout!) but looking for feedback specifically on the internationalisation of the following pages: http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-german.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-swedish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-spanish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-mandarin.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-cantonese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-japanese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-korean.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-thai.php First time I've had a crack at foreign character sets - any feedback on this aspect of the site would be much appreciated! Cheers Jason ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] International Pages Check
Thanks Richard - we did have that trouble with Simplified Chinese and Traditional Chinese. Same flag - didn't really know how to differentiate them. Cheers! On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:22:18 -, Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jason, Paul, Apart from the fact that a user would not always like to see their language associated with the flag of another country, there are other reasons for not using flags. If you want to specify Swiss German, vs Swiss French vs. Swiss Italian sites, you need a second level of choice than that offered by the national flag. Best use the name of the language in the language and script of the country. (For help with this see http://people.w3.org/rishida/names/languages.html ) Note also that the language expressed in the DOCTYPE should not be changed - the DTD is in English. It's the html language attribute that you should change. (I had to explain this to someone recently, so thought I'd mention it.) At the W3C we have been working on the ins and outs of language declarations over the past months (from a content author's perspective). It wasn't as straightforward as we thought! Please take a look at Authoring Techniques for XHTML HTML Internationalization: Specifying the language of content 1.0 [1] for the latest in-edit version of our recommendations. (There's also an attempt to make it easier to get advice on this via a summary page at [2]). For an example of how we do this (on pages that are actually content-language negotiated too), see [3]. Hope that helps, RI [1] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-lang.html [2] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/outline/html-authoring-outline .html [3] http://www.w3.org/International/O-charset Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Foss Sent: 14 November 2004 20:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] International Pages Check Thanks for the link Paul - that's a good one. Rick: Thanks for checking it out. I thought about the caption idea, and at first thought yeah, that makes sense, but then I figured that if you don't recognise the flag, there's a fair chance you won't speak the language anyway! Or am I just being belligerent? If I'm going to add captions they should be in the foreign language? Cheers Jason. PS is the server still slow? Temporary issue I hope... On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:27:24 -0700, Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no language identified in the DOCTYPE and the html tag (I only checked the Spanish and Mandarin pages). |This link may be helpful:| |http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_7_identifying_your_language.html || || |Paul| || || || Jason Foss wrote: Hi all, This site is still well and truly in draft stage (I know - the menu is still up the spout!) but looking for feedback specifically on the internationalisation of the following pages: http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-german.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-swedish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-spanish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-mandarin.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-cantonese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-japanese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-korean.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-thai.php First time I've had a crack at foreign character sets - any feedback on this aspect of the site would be much appreciated! Cheers Jason ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows
[WSG] International Pages Check
Hi all, This site is still well and truly in draft stage (I know - the menu is still up the spout!) but looking for feedback specifically on the internationalisation of the following pages: http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-german.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-swedish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-spanish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-mandarin.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-cantonese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-japanese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-korean.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-thai.php First time I've had a crack at foreign character sets - any feedback on this aspect of the site would be much appreciated! Cheers Jason -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] International Pages Check
On 11/11/04 11:24 PM Jason Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: This site is still well and truly in draft stage (I know - the menu is still up the spout!) but looking for feedback specifically on the internationalisation of the following pages: Aside from anything else, I think you need captions (or whatever the stds thing is) for all those flags. I recognize one of them - guess which one! Rick Faaberg ps. Your server is really slow to deliver to over here in North America. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
