Re: [WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

[Mordechai Peller]

Thank to all who responded.

Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
Well worth reading, although some would argue that Nielsen can be 
overly strict in his approach to web usability.
I've heard that a lot, he himself state that his finding don't apply all 
the time and they aren't a substitute for user testing.

Difficult to know what level of CSS you're starting from, but there's:

Advanced, but thanks anyway.

SRT Services wrote:

It is also syndicated online, http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/ , 
if budget is a concern.


It's hard to argue with (legally) free. Although, generally I find it 
much more difficult to read a lengthy text from a monitor; for read more 
than a few pages I much prefer paper.


Katrina wrote:
On my to-read list, and sitting on my desk, is Pro CSS Techniques. How 
Pro this is though I don't yet know.
Roger Johnson, who just reviewed it 
, 
wrote: "'Intermediate CSS Techniques' would have been a more appropriate 
name. Nevertheless, unless you’re already a pro CSS designer, Pro CSS 
Techniques is well worth its place in your pile of Web books." It seems 
that at least two of the authors, Jeff Croft and Dan Rubin, agreed.





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Re: [WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

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Katrina wrote:


Then shouldn't we wait for the instant-mix CSS then?


"just add markup"

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Re: [WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

[Katrina]

russ - maxdesign wrote:

Whatever you do, avoid "CSS in 10 minutes". The author was obviously a
drunken bum who knows nothing. Plus I have heard rumours there will be a CSS
in 9 minutes coming out, so why waste that extra minute!



Then shouldn't we wait for the instant-mix CSS then? Just add the Spry 
framework;)

Kat



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Re: [WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

[russ - maxdesign]

Whatever you do, avoid "CSS in 10 minutes". The author was obviously a
drunken bum who knows nothing. Plus I have heard rumours there will be a CSS
in 9 minutes coming out, so why waste that extra minute!

> On my to-read list, and sitting on my desk, is Pro CSS Techniques. How
> Pro this is though I don't yet know.
> Kat




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Re: [WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

[Katrina]

Mordechai Peller wrote:



Some books which I've had my eye on include:



   - Building Accessible Websites
by** Joe Clark
I'd say avoid this one. The author had a technical editor, but needed a 
general editor that could stand toe-to-toe and command the author to 
remove a few offending pieces (the unnecessary French phrases, for 
instance).


It's also getting on the old side now.

On my to-read list, and sitting on my desk, is Pro CSS Techniques. How 
Pro this is though I don't yet know.

Kat


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Re: [WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

[Nick Fitzsimons]

On 23 Mar 2007, at 02:48:54, Jermayn Parker wrote:




   - Don't Make Me Think: A Common Sense Approach to Web Usability
by Steve Krug


Excellent book.



Sorry but I woul dhave to disagree with you hear. I found the book  
boring, old information and overall uniformative and a waste of  
time and money. If your an intemediated web designer you should  
already know what he raises. Maybe if your a beginner, it could be  
good but apart from that I would not bother,,


I must admit I'm surprised to hear that. With 10 years as a web  
applications developer under my belt, preceded by another fifteen  
years of software development including a stint at a human factors  
and usability research institute, I thought the book was well worth  
reading when I finally got around to it late last year.


Still, one man's meat and so on :-)

Cheers,

Nick.
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Re: [WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

[Jermayn Parker]

 
>- Don't Make Me Think: A Common Sense Approach to Web Usability
> by Steve Krug

Excellent book.


Sorry but I woul dhave to disagree with you hear. I found the book boring, old 
information and overall uniformative and a waste of time and money. If your an 
intemediated web designer you should already know what he raises. Maybe if your 
a beginner, it could be good but apart from that I would not bother,,



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Re: [WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

[SRT Services Mail]

Mordechai,
- Building Accessible Websites by** Joe Clark

I have this one.  It is also syndicated online, 
http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/ , if 
budget is a concern.

The coding is a bit dated if you wish to code to the latest standards but other 
than that I found it 
a great reference as it explains the challenges the user has, unlike most 
accessibility references I 
have found so far.

You may be able to find it at a discount computer book sale.

S.R. Emerson
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Re: [WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

[Nick Fitzsimons]

On 22 Mar 2007, at 17:23:47, Mordechai Peller wrote:


Some books which I've had my eye on include:

   - Prioritizing Web Usability
by Jakob Nielsen , Hoa Loranger


Well worth reading, although some would argue that Nielsen can be  
overly strict in his approach to web usability.



   - Don't Make Me Think: A Common Sense Approach to Web Usability
by Steve Krug


Excellent book.


   - Building Accessible Websites
by** Joe Clark


The Bible, which must mean that Joe is Moses, the Prophets and the  
Apostles all rolled into one.



   - Web Accessibility: Web Standards and Regulatory Compliance
by Jim Thatcher, Michael R. Burks, Christian Heilmann, Shawn Lawton  
Henry, Andrew Kirkpatrick, Patrick H. Lauke, Bruce Lawson, Bob  
Regan, Richard Rutter, Mark Urban, Cunthia D. Waddell


I haven't yet had time to read this (although I've read the older  
edition), but at the WSG London Accessibility meetup a few weeks ago,  
Mike Davis  (At least I think it was him;  
if not, sorry, Mike!) said that although much of it was good, some  
chapters were, in his opinion, flawed.  He didn't say which ones, so  
you'll have to work that out for yourself :-)


For CSS and HTML, nothing caught my eye; they all seemed to basic  
for what I'm looking for. Sure there are many good books out there  
and I'm sure I could learn something from many of them, but not  
enough from any one to justify the expense. On the other hand,  
there might be one I'm overlooking. Besides, while my motivations  
for this post are personal (I intend to purchase 2 or 3 in the  
coming days and others in the months to come), the more who can  
benefit, the better.


Difficult to know what level of CSS you're starting from, but there's:

Andy Budd's "CSS Mastery" 

Andy Clarke's "Transcending CSS" - worth getting even if only to look  
at :-) 


Dan Cederholm's "Bulletproof Web Design" 


Cheers,

Nick.
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Re: [WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

[Matthew Pennell]

On 3/22/07, Mordechai Peller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


- Pro JavaScript Techniques
by John Resig



I'd recommend this [1] to intermediate to pretty good JavaScripters - it's
very good.

Matthew.

[1] http://www.digital-web.com/articles/pro_javascript_techniques/


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[WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

[Mordechai Peller]

I know book recommendation have been discussed before, but most of the 
recommendation have been focused mostly on beginners. While that's very, 
very important, so much so that it probably deserves to be discussed 
many more times, what I'm currently interested in are books ranging from 
intermediate to the advanced. While for advanced level discussions there 
is no substitute for the Web, it's not as true for intermediate level. 
True, there are far fewer books targeted at the more advanced, but there 
are some.


Some books which I've had my eye on include:

   - Prioritizing Web Usability
by Jakob Nielsen , Hoa Loranger
   - Information Architecture for the World Wide Web
by Peter Morville , Louis Rosenfeld
   - Don't Make Me Think: A Common Sense Approach to Web Usability
by Steve Krug
   - Building Accessible Websites
by** Joe Clark
   - Web Accessibility: Web Standards and Regulatory Compliance
by Jim Thatcher, Michael R. Burks, Christian Heilmann, Shawn Lawton 
Henry, Andrew Kirkpatrick, Patrick H. Lauke, Bruce Lawson, Bob Regan, 
Richard Rutter, Mark Urban, Cunthia D. Waddell

   - Pro JavaScript Techniques
by John Resig

For CSS and HTML, nothing caught my eye; they all seemed to basic for 
what I'm looking for. Sure there are many good books out there and I'm 
sure I could learn something from many of them, but not enough from any 
one to justify the expense. On the other hand, there might be one I'm 
overlooking. Besides, while my motivations for this post are personal (I 
intend to purchase 2 or 3 in the coming days and others in the months to 
come), the more who can benefit, the better.



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