Re: [WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?

[Kay Smoljak]

> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:08:41 +1000, Hugh Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Does Contribute 3 handle HTML entities properly? Contribute 3 didn't.

Sorry for the delay - yes, I can confirm that Contribute 3 appears to
encode HTML entities. I tried entering an ampersand and pasting in
smart quotes from Microsoft Word, and in both cases the correct entity
was inserted.

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Re: [WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?

[Kay Smoljak]

I don't have it installed right here at the moment, but I am almost
certain it does. I'll write myself a reminder to check on Monday when
I get back to work.

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:08:41 +1000, Hugh Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does Contribute 3 handle HTML entities properly? Contribute 3 didn't.
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Re: [WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?

[Hugh Todd]

Kay,
Does Contribute 3 handle HTML entities properly? Contribute 3 didn't.
-Hugh
Have you looked at Macromedia Contribute? It allows you to lock down
what the user can enter, even to the point where they can only enter
plain text :)
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Re: [WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?

[Kay Smoljak]

Hi Simon,

Have you looked at Macromedia Contribute? It allows you to lock down
what the user can enter, even to the point where they can only enter
plain text :) It works with your stylesheets, and you can even apply
filters so that only the classes that you specify can be applied.
Version 3 which just comes out has some good workflow features as
well, so for example multiple users can edit pages and send them for
review, but only certain users can publish. It's fairly inexpensive
too...

HTH,
K.

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:32:36 +1000, Simon Chalmers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I recently spent heaps of time building a site using css and
> standards-compliant HTML pages.  Now I need to hand back content editing
> to a pool of "unwashed" users. They like changing fonts, adding bright
> colours, bold, underline, centering etc whenever they get the chance.
> 
> Ideally I'd like to be able to give them an HTML form to edit from,
> which contains a cut-down HTML WISIWIG editor that allows them to add
> only:
> - bold block of text (which I can access & render as "" ),
> - plain text (which I can access & render as "",
> - links
> 
> There were posts on this mailing list a week or 2 back re HTML WISIWIG
> editors, but most give away too much control to the user and produce
> non-css-based HTML.
> 
> Its a big site (130,000+ pages) and I can't expect to maintain it all
> myself. What do others in this situation do?
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Re: [WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?

[Vlad Alexander \(XStandard\)]

Hi Simon,



I am on the XStandard dev team. I am not going to do a sales pitch on this
list but I will say that XStandard was designed for the requirements you
described. There are no font-selectors or color-pickers to hide because
these tools create non-standards compliant markup, hence these tools are not
part of the XStandard. Check out this article to see what XStandard does to
make markup accessible and standards-compliant:



http://xstandard.com/page.asp?p=58E6C3F7-E5DF-414F-8AA5-4C8BD2BEFE2A



Also, you might want to validate the Web sites of WYSIWYG editor vendors to
see if their sites validate:



http://validator.w3.org



Regards,

-Vlad

XStandard Development Team

http://xstandard.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Chalmers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:32 PM
Subject: [WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?


> I recently spent heaps of time building a site using css and
> standards-compliant HTML pages.  Now I need to hand back content editing
> to a pool of "unwashed" users. They like changing fonts, adding bright
> colours, bold, underline, centering etc whenever they get the chance.
>
> Ideally I'd like to be able to give them an HTML form to edit from,
> which contains a cut-down HTML WISIWIG editor that allows them to add
> only:
> - bold block of text (which I can access & render as "" ),
> - plain text (which I can access & render as "",
> - links
>
> There were posts on this mailing list a week or 2 back re HTML WISIWIG
> editors, but most give away too much control to the user and produce
> non-css-based HTML.
>
> Its a big site (130,000+ pages) and I can't expect to maintain it all
> myself. What do others in this situation do?
>
>
> Simon Chalmers
> Analyst/Programmer
>
> Level 8, ITS
> Parliament House
> Macquarie Street
> SYDNEY NSW 2000
>
> Ph: 02 9230 2943
> Fax: 02 9230 2358
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Re: [WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?

[Joshua Street]

Someone posted a list of WYSIWYG editors from their bookmarks folder a
few days back (Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:34:25 -0700 (PDT), according to my
email client) - our development team has been looking at implementing
one for a while now, so this was of some interest.

Out of the 8 listed, the one which appealed to us most (and was free!)
was this one: http://www.kevinroth.com/rte/demo.htm .

Of course, Xstandard is supposed to be great, but (except for the lite
version) costs money -- it's cheaper to go with a "lesser" solution and
customise it into an application we're happy with, rather than pay for a
non-custom solution which makes us more dependent on external providers.

With 130,000+ pages, developing a custom app surely isn't out of the
question?  Or licensing an application such as Xstandard?

The original list of editors has been reproduced below for
convenience...

On Tuesday, 24 Aug at 07:34, Krassy wrote:
> Here's a list of WYSIWYG editors out of my bookmarks
> folder.
> 
> XHTML WYSIWYG Editors:
> 
> (1) Xstandard
> http://www.telerik.com/Default.aspx?PageId=1586
> 
> (2) r.a.d. Editor - The granddaddy of them all. Here's
> a list of only a few of the features:
> * Cross-browser support - IE, Netscape, Mozilla.
> * XHTML compliant.
> * Find and Replace in Design- and HTML-mode.
> * Spell checking with the MS Word dictionaries plus
> Multilingual spell checker(19 languages).
> * Easy localization through XML.
> * Full table editing, Word-like table builder.
> * Document uploader (PDF, DOC, CHM, etc.)
> * Enhanced image dialog, thumbnail generator
> ...etc. 
> The list never ends.
> http://www.telerik.com/Default.aspx?PageId=1586
> 
> 
> WYSIWYG editors I've used or toyed around with:
> 
> (1) ActiveEdit
> * Compatible with IE4+, Netscape 6.2+, and Mozilla
> 1.0+ and works with Mac OS X Safari Browser.
> * Comes with built-in spell checker.
> http://www.cfdev.com/activedit/
> 
> (2) Cross-browser Rich Text Editor
> * Compatible with IE5+/Mozilla 1.3+/Mozilla
> Firebird/Firefox 0.6.1.
> * Comes with ASP/PHP/HTML demos.
> * Supports multiple WYSIWYG editor instances on one
> page
> http://www.kevinroth.com/rte/demo.htm
> 
> (3) FCK Editor
> * Compatible with IE 5+, Mozilla and Netscape
> http://www.fckeditor.net/
> 
> (4) Mishoo HTMLArea
> * Compatible with IE 5.5+ and Mozilla 1.3
> http://dynarch.com/mishoo/htmlarea.epl
> 
> (5) InteractiveTools HTMLArea
> * Compatible with IE 5.5+ (Windows)/Mozilla 1.3 (all
> OS)
> http://www.interactivetools.com/products/htmlarea/
> 
> (6) KUPU
> * Compatible with Netscape, Mozilla and IE
> http://kupu.oscom.org/
> 
> 
> WYSIWYG editors listing:
> 
> (1) http://www.bris.ac.uk/is/projects/cms/ttw/ttw.html
> (2)
> http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Internet/Authoring/HTML/WYSIWYG_Editors/
> 
> 
> WYSIWYG editors research notes:
> 
> (1) http://www.darrelaustin.com/stuff/htmleditors.html
> (2) My notes. See above :)
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> - Krassy
> 
> 
> =
> Krassy Lyakov
> 
> 
> web: http://www.krassy.com/
> blog: http://www.krassycandoit.com/blah/

Hope that helps...

On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 11:32, Simon Chalmers wrote:
> I recently spent heaps of time building a site using css and
> standards-compliant HTML pages.  Now I need to hand back content editing
> to a pool of "unwashed" users. They like changing fonts, adding bright
> colours, bold, underline, centering etc whenever they get the chance. 
> 
> Ideally I'd like to be able to give them an HTML form to edit from,
> which contains a cut-down HTML WISIWIG editor that allows them to add
> only:
> - bold block of text (which I can access & render as "" ), 
> - plain text (which I can access & render as "",  
> - links
> 
> There were posts on this mailing list a week or 2 back re HTML WISIWIG
> editors, but most give away too much control to the user and produce
> non-css-based HTML. 
> 
> Its a big site (130,000+ pages) and I can't expect to maintain it all
> myself. What do others in this situation do?
> 
> 
> Simon Chalmers
> Analyst/Programmer
> 
> Level 8, ITS
> Parliament House
> Macquarie Street
> SYDNEY NSW 2000
> 
> Ph: 02 9230 2943
> Fax: 02 9230 2358
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web: http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au
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Re: [WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?

[Justin French]

On 27/08/2004, at 11:32 AM, Simon Chalmers wrote:
There were posts on this mailing list a week or 2 back re HTML WISIWIG
editors, but most give away too much control to the user and produce
non-css-based HTML.
Most of them are customisable to cut-down the features to only what you 
want to allow.

There's also Textile as an option .
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Re: [WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?

[Anura . Samara]

Well, something like HTMLArea allows you to customise the toolbar, so that
you can remove functionality that you don't want the unwashed to have.

The problem is that I recall it doesn't produce 100% standards-compliant
code

AS



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[WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?

[Simon Chalmers]

I recently spent heaps of time building a site using css and
standards-compliant HTML pages.  Now I need to hand back content editing
to a pool of "unwashed" users. They like changing fonts, adding bright
colours, bold, underline, centering etc whenever they get the chance. 

Ideally I'd like to be able to give them an HTML form to edit from,
which contains a cut-down HTML WISIWIG editor that allows them to add
only:
- bold block of text (which I can access & render as "" ), 
- plain text (which I can access & render as "",  
- links

There were posts on this mailing list a week or 2 back re HTML WISIWIG
editors, but most give away too much control to the user and produce
non-css-based HTML. 

Its a big site (130,000+ pages) and I can't expect to maintain it all
myself. What do others in this situation do?


Simon Chalmers
Analyst/Programmer

Level 8, ITS
Parliament House
Macquarie Street
SYDNEY NSW 2000

Ph: 02 9230 2943
Fax: 02 9230 2358
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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