[WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles
SEMANTIC MARKUP FOR PUBLICATION TITLES In print the name of a publication is typically type-set in an oblique or italic font. A similar *visual* effect can be achieved either through the use of: - an italic font-tag iPublication/i (probably deprecated) - an emphasis tag emPublication/em - styling a span span class=pubPublication/span (with companion CSS) As far as I'm aware, none of these methods have anything to recommend them from a semantic perspective. Is there an alternative convention or standards-endorsed markup to communicate that the enclosed text refers to a publication? Elegance preferred (i.e. rather than adding title tags to any of the above options). Cheers, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director MOTIVE | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz/ ph: +64 4 3 800 800 fx: +64 4 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles
Maybe I'm not fully understanding your question, but what about having a class (call it pub or whatever) and then defining font-style: italic in the CSS? Leslie Riggs SEMANTIC MARKUP FOR PUBLICATION TITLES In print the name of a publication is typically type-set in an oblique or italic font. A similar *visual* effect can be achieved either through the use of: - an italic font-tag iPublication/i (probably deprecated) - an emphasis tag emPublication/em - styling a span span class=pubPublication/span (with companion CSS) As far as I'm aware, none of these methods have anything to recommend them from a semantic perspective. Is there an alternative convention or standards-endorsed markup to communicate that the enclosed text refers to a publication? Elegance preferred (i.e. rather than adding title tags to any of the above options). Cheers, ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles
SEMANTIC MARKUP FOR PUBLICATION TITLES In print the name of a publication is typically type-set in an oblique or italic font. A similar *visual* effect can be achieved either through the use of: - an italic font-tag iPublication/i (probably deprecated) - an emphasis tag emPublication/em - styling a span span class=pubPublication/span (with companion CSS) As far as I'm aware, none of these methods have anything to recommend them from a semantic perspective. Is there an alternative convention or standards-endorsed markup to communicate that the enclosed text refers to a publication? Elegance preferred (i.e. rather than adding title tags to any of the above options). use cite eg citePublication/cite By default it's rendered in italics usually, but you can of course style further. Mike SIGNIFY LTD :: the logic behind === ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles
Maybe I'm not fully understanding your question, but what about having a class (call it pub or whatever) and then defining font-style: italic in the CSS? Creating a custom class will yield the desired visual effect, however the class pub has no semantic value. Compare this to text marked-up with a heading tag; h1Heading text/h1 The text enclosed by this standard HTML tag is defined as a heading. Applying a class to the h1, e.g. h1 class=pubPublication title/h1 does not describe the text Publication title as a publication. -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director MOTIVE | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz/ ph: +64 4 3 800 800 fx: +64 4 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles
I would use the CITE tag, quoteCite: contains a citation or a reference to other sources/quote (http://www.w3.org/TR/html4?struct/text.html#h-9.2.1) if this is what you're after. Cheers Jeff On 17/12/04 4:05 PM, Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SEMANTIC MARKUP FOR PUBLICATION TITLES In print the name of a publication is typically type-set in an oblique or italic font. A similar *visual* effect can be achieved either through the use of: - an italic font-tag iPublication/i (probably deprecated) - an emphasis tag emPublication/em - styling a span span class=pubPublication/span (with companion CSS) As far as I'm aware, none of these methods have anything to recommend them from a semantic perspective. Is there an alternative convention or standards-endorsed markup to communicate that the enclosed text refers to a publication? Elegance preferred (i.e. rather than adding title tags to any of the above options). Cheers, Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st Ph: 02 9570 9875 Mobile: 0419 350 760 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged and confidential, and are intended only for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or responsible for delivering this e-mail to the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please REPLY TO the SENDER to advise the error AND then DELETE the e-mail from your system. Any views expressed in this e-mail and any files transmitted with it are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of our organisation. Our organisation does not represent or warrant that the attached files are free from computer viruses or other defects. The user assumes all responsibility for any loss or damage resulting directly or indirectly from the use of the attached files. In any event, the liability to our organisation is limited to either the resupply of the attached files or the cost of having the attached files resupplied ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles
Cite isn't really appropriate is it? CITE: Contains a citation or a reference to other sources So you are not referencing a source, just mentioning a publication. On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:31:22 +1300 (NZDT), Mike Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SEMANTIC MARKUP FOR PUBLICATION TITLES In print the name of a publication is typically type-set in an oblique or italic font. A similar *visual* effect can be achieved either through the use of: - an italic font-tag iPublication/i (probably deprecated) - an emphasis tag emPublication/em - styling a span span class=pubPublication/span (with companion CSS) As far as I'm aware, none of these methods have anything to recommend them from a semantic perspective. Is there an alternative convention or standards-endorsed markup to communicate that the enclosed text refers to a publication? Elegance preferred (i.e. rather than adding title tags to any of the above options). use cite eg citePublication/cite By default it's rendered in italics usually, but you can of course style further. Mike SIGNIFY LTD :: the logic behind === ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles
Natalie Buxton said: Cite isn't really appropriate is it? CITE: Contains a citation or a reference to other sources So you are not referencing a source, just mentioning a publication. well, I think it *is* a reference to [an]other source. Although I think the specs could be clearer! Examples certainly seem to use cite for this purpose. Some comment on this:http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/HTML3.2/5.15.html Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles
Title: Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles CITE: Contains a citation or a reference to other sources So you are not referencing a source, just mentioning a publication. Seems that the intended use is stretched to include marking-up a publication title using the cite tag (when not explicitly referencing content it contains). For example, a title may be provided without the content of a sentence in a bibliography. The first W3C example doesn't help clarify use: As CITEHarry S. Truman/CITE said, Q lang=en-usThe buck stops here./Q The use of cite in this example is at best redundant. Aside from the sentence structure, who said what is not communicated through markup. The q tag even includes a cite attribute. Perhaps something like, q cite="" S. TrumanThe buck stops here./q Would have been more appropriate. (NB: This is not the correct use of the cite attribute as defined by W3C) I'm aware that the core set of tags is somewhat impoverished though, so I'll settle for cite (for now). -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director MOTIVE | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz/ ph: +64 4 3 800 800 fx: +64 4 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand
Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for publication titles
Dublin Core has a working group that have spent a lot of time on this. they didn't get very far for a long time but recently they seem to have got it right - I suggest you take a look there. http://dublincore.org/groups/citation (I think) There is a difference between citation and related documents - dc: relation handles that Liddy On 17/12/2004, at 2:54 PM, Mike Brown wrote: Natalie Buxton said: Cite isn't really appropriate is it? CITE: Contains a citation or a reference to other sources So you are not referencing a source, just mentioning a publication. well, I think it *is* a reference to [an]other source. Although I think the specs could be clearer! Examples certainly seem to use cite for this purpose. Some comment on this:http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/HTML3.2/5.15.html Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
