Re: [WSG] Should we be thankful for IE's non-development?
I don't like IE, that's why I really don't care if my site's look good in it. But the fact is that people still use IE, and there is a lot of them, so you have to design for that too, even though my sites all look much better is Firefox. On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:03:45 +1000 (EST), Rob Unsworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Chris Blown wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 12:20, Chris W. Parker wrote: David R mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think so. It'd just be more of the same. Some people would have old browsers that don't work right and other people would have newer browsers that do work right. Which browsers they are makes no difference imo. I strongly believe that Microsoft are fully aware of their strangle hold and until something like Firefox becomes a significant threat, they will sit by idle without a care in the world and claim that IE is everything their customers wanted. You are right about that. Check out this link, and in particular the referenced email from Microsoft. http://www.linuxpipeline.com/57701967 -- Get FireFox http://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliatesid=0t=1 Regards, | Lions District 201 Q3 Rob Unsworth | IT Internet Chairman Ipswich, Australia| http://www.lionsq3.asn.au - ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake Owner - StaticHost Internet Services http://www.statichost.co.uk http://www.spikeradio.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Should we be thankful for IE's non-development?
Its a problem plaguing web-standards enthusiasts much like ourselves for years, which is IE's lack of compliance. But consider... what if Microsoft did keep on updating its HTML Parser and Rendering engines? ...Theoretically, wouldn't we be in a worse-off state, with even more non-standard properties? IE's non-development has created a kind of level-off, where practically everyone is now using IE6. If IE kept on being updated, many users would be lost in the continual upgrades and just give up, potentially leaving many back on older versions, with varying levels of support. Granted, whilst we could design for the lowest-common-factor, which in all likeliness would be IE5.0, we wouldn't be able to exploit the advantages of IE7.0 if it were around. Granted, whilst IE6.0's standards support isn't 100%, its better than Nav4, and since over 85% of the web-browsing public run it, should we be glad? ...Compared to 7 years ago when obscure browsers were still mainstream. Who remembers Mosaic? It was still popular in 1997 Irrelevant comparison, perhaps... but would we be worse-off if IE7.0 really did exist ...Considering Microsoft's upgrade policy, if it did, IE7.0 would probably be limited to users of Windows XP, which still only account for 66% of WWW users. Food for thought -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Should we be thankful for IE's non-development?
David R mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:56 PM said: Its a problem plaguing web-standards enthusiasts much like ourselves for years, which is IE's lack of compliance. But consider... what if Microsoft did keep on updating its HTML Parser and Rendering engines? ...Theoretically, wouldn't we be in a worse-off state, with even more non-standard properties? I don't think so. It'd just be more of the same. Some people would have old browsers that don't work right and other people would have newer browsers that do work right. Which browsers they are makes no difference imo. Food for thought If you say so. Chris. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Should we be thankful for IE's non-development?
On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 12:20, Chris W. Parker wrote: David R mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think so. It'd just be more of the same. Some people would have old browsers that don't work right and other people would have newer browsers that do work right. Which browsers they are makes no difference imo. The main point on this is, while Microsoft maintains its master share on the browser that most people have installed _and_ they drag the chain on further development, they are essentially holding web based innovation at ransom. We all understand what web standards means for the web at large, efficient light weight, beautifully structured and presented content. But the average person only sees the external bits, so in the process of explaining the IE issue, we sometimes end up looking like M$ bashers and raving zealots. The security angle is the only one that seems to get the point through at the moment. I strongly believe that Microsoft are fully aware of their strangle hold and until something like Firefox becomes a significant threat, they will sit by idle without a care in the world and claim that IE is everything their customers wanted. Regards Chris Blown ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Should we be thankful for IE's non-development?
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Chris Blown wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 12:20, Chris W. Parker wrote: David R mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think so. It'd just be more of the same. Some people would have old browsers that don't work right and other people would have newer browsers that do work right. Which browsers they are makes no difference imo. I strongly believe that Microsoft are fully aware of their strangle hold and until something like Firefox becomes a significant threat, they will sit by idle without a care in the world and claim that IE is everything their customers wanted. You are right about that. Check out this link, and in particular the referenced email from Microsoft. http://www.linuxpipeline.com/57701967 -- Get FireFox http://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliatesid=0t=1 Regards, | Lions District 201 Q3 Rob Unsworth | IT Internet Chairman Ipswich, Australia| http://www.lionsq3.asn.au - ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
