Re: [WSG] Where's the proper place for an accesskey?

[Matthew Pennell]

On 18/06/07, Cole Kuryakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


So, if I'm using label tags and their attendant id, is that all that
everyone here would suggest is adequate to pass current accessibility
standards? Is there anything else I'm missing?



If you're talking specifically about forms:

- group related fields together with fieldsets
- use legends to label each fieldset
- use simple, understandable language for your labels
- place additional information such as required fields and help information
inside the label

Matthew.

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Re: [WSG] Where's the proper place for an accesskey?

[Ben Buchanan]

Wow, that's surprising to me, but okay - less work to do!
So, if I'm using label tags and their attendant id, is that all that
everyone here would suggest is adequate to pass current accessibility
standards? Is there anything else I'm missing?


Probably worth mentioning one caveat: while you shouldn't use
tabindex, you do have to ensure your form's *natural flow* makes
sense. So it's not 100% "less work" :)

cheers,
Ben

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RE: [WSG] Where's the proper place for an accesskey?

[Cole Kuryakin]

Wow, that's surprising to me, but okay - less work to do!

So, if I'm using label tags and their attendant id, is that all that
everyone here would suggest is adequate to pass current accessibility
standards? Is there anything else I'm missing?

Cole

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Subject: RE: [WSG] Where's the proper place for an accesskey?

> On Behalf Of Cole Kuryakin

> Lastly, I'm always now implementing accesskeys, labels, and tabindex
attributes to my form elements.

I believe what's considered best practice is to not use them at all:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2005JulSep/0019.html
http://www.webaim.org/techniques/keyboard/tabindex.php

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RE: [WSG] Where's the proper place for an accesskey?

[Thierry Koblentz]

> From: Thierry Koblentz
> > On Behalf Of Cole Kuryakin
> > Lastly, I'm always now implementing accesskeys, labels, and tabindex
> attributes to my form elements.
> 
> I believe what's considered best practice is to not use them at all:

Of course, I'm talking about tabindex and accesskeys, not labels

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Re: [WSG] Where's the proper place for an accesskey?

[Sander Aarts]

Thierry Koblentz schreef:

I believe what's considered best practice is to not use them at all


It's still best practice to use 


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RE: [WSG] Where's the proper place for an accesskey?

[Thierry Koblentz]

> On Behalf Of Cole Kuryakin

> Lastly, I'm always now implementing accesskeys, labels, and tabindex
attributes to my form elements.

I believe what's considered best practice is to not use them at all:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2005JulSep/0019.html
http://www.webaim.org/techniques/keyboard/tabindex.php

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Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com





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Re: [WSG] Where's the proper place for an accesskey?

[Matthew Pennell]

On 17/06/07, Cole Kuryakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Lastly, I'm always now implementing accesskeys, labels, and tabindex
attributes to my form elements. Is there anything else I'm missing



Accesskeys: clash with browsers, foreign characters, assistive technology,
and nobody ever knows they are there anyway - bad idea.

Tabindex: causes the tab order to jump around the page, confusing keyboard
users amongst others - bad idea. [1]

Labels: good idea, make sure you're using the for attribute to explicitly
associate the label with its form element.

:)

[1] http://wcagsamurai.org/errata/errata.html - see Guideline 9

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[WSG] Where's the proper place for an accesskey?

[Cole Kuryakin]

Hello All -

I've been reading various tutorials about accesskeys and some (like W3C) say
to put it in the label tag, while most others I've seen are exampling it's
position in the actual input tag.

What's the right (or atleast preferred) position for an access key? Should
you put it in different places depending upon the input element (i.e. text
field vs checkbox vs submit button)? And does it matter if you define the
access key as "A" or "a"?

I'm finally trying to tackle this aspect of my coding and want to get it
right.

Lastly, I'm always now implementing accesskeys, labels, and tabindex
attributes to my form elements. Is there anything else I'm missing as I'd
like to start making my projects as accessible as possible.

Thanks to all in advance.

Cole




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