RE: [WSG] best formatting for alt text
There was a description of using creative styles a few years ago. I think it was part of building bullet proof web sites. The theory is that if you had an image with text (fancy header), it would be nice to still have some styles associated with the text that is displayed if the image is broken or turned off. So the markup was h1img src=header-with-text.png alt=this is my header/h1 Now the CSS would offer some styles to the H1 so the text had some nifty colors, fonts, etc. Ted -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 4:06 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] best formatting for alt text Or rather, start with the the semantic structure of the page, then insert the image into the structure appropriately. On Sat, November 13, 2010 1:46 am, Christian Montoya wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk wrote: On 13/11/2010 01:23, cat soul wrote: Right..I noticed this while playing around, and I wondered whether it represents an opportunity by making sure that it has some desired formatting, or whether those who rely upon alt information just want normal, smallish text. so if the image was, for instance, a heading (not doing any css image replacement, just putting straight images in the markup), then obviously the entire image would be wrapped in the appropriate heading element. Hear, hear. If you are using images for text, you should still wrap them semantically. -- -- Christian Montoya mappdev.com :: christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] best formatting for alt text
Or rather, start with the the semantic structure of the page, then insert the image into the structure appropriately. On Sat, November 13, 2010 1:46 am, Christian Montoya wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk wrote: On 13/11/2010 01:23, cat soul wrote: Right..I noticed this while playing around, and I wondered whether it represents an opportunity by making sure that it has some desired formatting, or whether those who rely upon alt information just want normal, smallish text. so if the image was, for instance, a heading (not doing any css image replacement, just putting straight images in the markup), then obviously the entire image would be wrapped in the appropriate heading element. Hear, hear. If you are using images for text, you should still wrap them semantically. -- -- Christian Montoya mappdev.com :: christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] best formatting for alt text
Hello; I am assuming that alt text will be heard and not read. If this is so, it need only be there and could be any size, correct? How do people handle alt? format it with h6 and call it good? thanks for any advice! cs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] best formatting for alt text
On 11/12/10 4:23 PM, cat soul wrote: I am assuming that alt text will be heard and not read. ?? Why? How do people handle alt? format it with h6 and call it good? You seem confused; alt is an attribute of the IMG tag, and H6 is a member of a semantic hierarchy of headers, certainly not a visual formatting device. Why are you concerned about alt text formatting? -- Hassan Schroeder - has...@webtuitive.com webtuitive design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com twitter: @hassan dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] best formatting for alt text
Alt text is not formatted. You just have alt=your description here. And that's it. Janice On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:23 PM, cat soul cats...@thinkplan.org wrote: Hello; I am assuming that alt text will be heard and not read. If this is so, it need only be there and could be any size, correct? How do people handle alt? format it with h6 and call it good? thanks for any advice! cs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] best formatting for alt text
On 13 November 2010 11:33, Janice Schwarz jan...@geekartist.net wrote: Alt text is not formatted. You just have alt=your description here. And that's it. Janice On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:23 PM, cat soul cats...@thinkplan.org wrote: Hello; I am assuming that alt text will be heard and not read. If this is so, it need only be there and could be any size, correct? Alt text does become visible when the image has yet to, or has failed, to load. In which case it is most certainly worthy of consideration. I believe (in most browsers?) this text will inherit any font attributes assigned to the IMG tag or it’s parents. On the other hand you have absolutely no control over the display of the title attribute. It doesn’t even increase in size when fonts are enlarged! Ollie @ollicle *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] best formatting for alt text
On Nov 12, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Oliver Boermans wrote: Alt text does become visible when the image has yet to, or has failed, to load. In which case it is most certainly worthy of consideration. I believe (in most browsers?) this text will inherit any font attributes assigned to the IMG tag or it’s parents. Right..I noticed this while playing around, and I wondered whether it represents an opportunity by making sure that it has some desired formatting, or whether those who rely upon alt information just want normal, smallish text. cs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] best formatting for alt text
On 13/11/2010 01:23, cat soul wrote: Right..I noticed this while playing around, and I wondered whether it represents an opportunity by making sure that it has some desired formatting, or whether those who rely upon alt information just want normal, smallish text. those who rely on alt would roughly fall into two categories: users of assistive technology (blind/partially sighted) and those users who knowingly turned off image loading. for the first group, visual formatting will be irrelevant - just make sure the image is contained in the most logical parent block - so if the image was, for instance, a heading (not doing any css image replacement, just putting straight images in the markup), then obviously the entire image would be wrapped in the appropriate heading element. for the latter group, again the alt will be usually formatted the same way as text in the same place would be, so the previous also applies (e.g. if it's a heading, wrap it as a heading). you could, if you wanted to, go beyond that and explicitly style text properties on the img element in your css, but i don't think there's any real need for it provided that the alt makes sense in context. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com | http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ __ twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] best formatting for alt text
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk wrote: On 13/11/2010 01:23, cat soul wrote: Right..I noticed this while playing around, and I wondered whether it represents an opportunity by making sure that it has some desired formatting, or whether those who rely upon alt information just want normal, smallish text. so if the image was, for instance, a heading (not doing any css image replacement, just putting straight images in the markup), then obviously the entire image would be wrapped in the appropriate heading element. Hear, hear. If you are using images for text, you should still wrap them semantically. -- -- Christian Montoya mappdev.com :: christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
