Re: [WSG] images and the dl

2004-12-20 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ted Drake wrote:
As for the image being a definition term,...why wouldn't it be semantic?
I don't know the W3C codes by heart, so I could easily be missing an important part of the puzzle and would be interested in seeing what I am missing.
 



Name
Title
Ext

   

Whether the image should be a term or data is open for debate. While I 
tend to favor having them as data, there is also a good case for as a 
term. This, however, isn't the source of my contention. In a dl the dd's 
must follow their associated dt, not precede them.

Andy Clarke has an interesting post on creating an e-commerce site with 
definition lists.
I skimmed it and it looks interesting. Thanks.
I don't remember the use of the position relative.
Been there; done that. Having artifacts in my CSS has caused me more 
than one headache.
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[WSG] images and the dl

2004-12-20 Thread Ted Drake
Hi Mordechai


As for the image being a definition term, I first used this format for 
illustrating a gallery of objects in a museum's collection. The image 
represented the work of art. As such, it seems to fit the semantics of a 
definition list for ME. That may not mean I'm correct. 
If the information in the dd is adding to the definition of the dt, and an 
image can do this, why wouldn't it be semantic?

I don't know the W3C codes by heart, so I could easily be missing an important 
part of the puzzle and would be interested in seeing what I am missing.

Andy Clarke has an interesting post on creating an e-commerce site with 
definition lists:
http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/ecommerce_definition_lists.html
He is using an image of a book in a dt tag. Would tht be more appropriate?

I don't remember the use of the position relative. This was one of those styles 
I threw together and it worked the first time and never went back and 
optimized. It probably would be fine without it.

Ted


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From: Mordechai Peller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 2:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Need better markup


Ted Drake wrote:

>
>height="108" width="72">
>Gina Rodriguez
>Account Manager
>Ext. 2412
>
>
Ted, I don't think your dl's are very semantic, though they could (and 
should) be. A dl is a list (even a list of one, which works for dl's, 
but generally not ul's nor ol's) of pairs: a group of terms followed by 
a group of datum. In your example, Gina is paired with her job title and 
her extension, which is a very good use a dl (though adding a class 
and/or title would probably improve it even more, that's a separate 
discussion); however Gina's picture is unassociated data.

Just to restate my general opinion regarding your suggestion of dl's for 
Collin's mark-up, I'm in 100% agreement. The only failing here is that 
you need to use separate dl's for each item. This will be corrected in 
XHTML 2 with the addition of the data item ()[1] container to group 
the dt's and dd's together and provide a much needed CSS hook.

[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-xhtml2-20040722/mod-list.html#edef_list_di

>#salescontacts dt {position:relative; margin: 0; font-weight:bold;}
>
Just curios, but why "position:relative"? Is it to rectify an IE float bug?
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