RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability (bringing clients to the table)

2004-05-27 Thread Giles Clark


I do see where Lachlan is coming from. I have recently updated two websites
both of which were almost purely images. Speaking to the designer who
originally created one of the sites it became apparent that his background
in for print design had lead him down theis path. Otherwise my work could
render almost anyway depending on the setting people have on their
machines. was essentialy his attitude. I know its not true but it is his
perception.

The second one was not quite as bad, but I still only managed to get the job
of effectivelky reskinning and replacing some of the images with text. Again
it was the perception that the company's brand would in some way be trashed
by allowing the web to render it. These are really difficult people to
convert, yes they want a better Google rating (in fact any Google rating
would do) but they are frightened of the change.

It has however, lead to more work for me. Having just completed the
re-skinning. I am now talking to them about a complete rework and they are
up for it. Frustrating...yes, but we get there in the end. You really do
have to hold their hand. I think we tend to forget that what we consider
everyday tasks and challenges might as well be rocket science for these
people.

anyway thats my twopennarth.

Giles

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Thanks folks for the great responses. I will certainly incorporate some of
the things you've mentioned into my business behaviours from now on

However, it seems fairly apparent that none of you have encountered the
problems I'm talking about (except Marc, I think). Perhaps I wasn't clear
enough. The kind of clients I get are clients who think this is a great site
: www.canadianlakes.com.au

And it does look quite nice. Pity about the fact that it still isn't indexed
by Google after it has been up for around two years. And you folks can
easily spot all the other problems such as the poor navigation, table
layout, and the fact that many pages have no text on them whatsoever. They
don't even use CSS to colour fonts or links (but who needs to when you can
use yet another image?). A year ago, that site had no text at all

If you still don't know what I'm talking about; if you've never encountered
this, don't trouble yourselves. You're lucky

Mike Kear says It's my opinion that if you are losing business because you
are quoting on standards-compliant sites, then you're doing it all wrong.
Standards compliance should give you a competitive advantage over the other
mugs who haven't learned about standards yet.

I totally agree with you, Mike, which is why I adopted standards and attempt
to provide accessibility. Unfortunately, it is not working for me. So, what
do you do?

Thanks again, folks
Lachlan





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Re: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability (bringing clients to the table)

2004-05-26 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Thanks folks for the great responses. I will certainly incorporate some of
the things you've mentioned into my business behaviours from now on

However, it seems fairly apparent that none of you have encountered the
problems I'm talking about (except Marc, I think). Perhaps I wasn't clear
enough. The kind of clients I get are clients who think this is a great site
: www.canadianlakes.com.au

And it does look quite nice. Pity about the fact that it still isn't indexed
by Google after it has been up for around two years. And you folks can
easily spot all the other problems such as the poor navigation, table
layout, and the fact that many pages have no text on them whatsoever. They
don't even use CSS to colour fonts or links (but who needs to when you can
use yet another image?). A year ago, that site had no text at all

If you still don't know what I'm talking about; if you've never encountered
this, don't trouble yourselves. You're lucky

Mike Kear says It's my opinion that if you are losing business because you
are quoting on standards-compliant sites, then you're doing it all wrong.
Standards compliance should give you a competitive advantage over the other
mugs who haven't learned about standards yet.

I totally agree with you, Mike, which is why I adopted standards and attempt
to provide accessibility. Unfortunately, it is not working for me. So, what
do you do?

Thanks again, folks
Lachlan





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RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability (bringing clients to the table)

2004-05-26 Thread Kay Smoljak
 The kind of clients I get are clients who think this 
 is a great site
 : www.canadianlakes.com.au

And it looks fine, for the kind of site it is. If I had worked on it, it
would look almost the same, except it would be valid html and css and it
wouldn't use frames. Just because you're building sites in a valid way
doesn't mean your pitches to clients or the sites you deliver need to look
any different (ok, they will look better, but an untrained eye probably
wouldn't notice anything specific, nor should they). 

K.

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Kay Smoljak
Senior Developer/QC Leader/Search Optimisation
PerthWeb Pty Ltd - http://www.perthweb.com.au/
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