Re: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...
Brendan And let the float be with you... Leo On Tuesday, March 9, 2004, at 12:19 AM, Brendan Smith wrote: And by the way ... I'm your father. Am I to take it then that CSS is essentially a bunch of Jedi mind tricks? Brendan From: Universal Head [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 09/03/04 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] turning back to the dark side... Good one Ross! Nice site ... though maybe a bit more leading in the body copy would make it easy to read (sorry for being picky). And by the way ... I'm your father. Peter ;) On 09/03/2004, at 4:00 PM, Paul Ross wrote: As a footnote to this thread I want to add that I did in fact stick to the light and the way and the website was launched as XHTML/CSS. Universal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com winmail.dat * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...
Paul Ross wrote: If anyone wants to see the finished version check out: http://www.books24x7.net.au - just don't view source on the New Releases page Why is there a script after the closing /html? Does that script (a statistics collector) even work in that location? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...
As a footnote to this thread I want to add that I did in fact stick to the light and the way and the website was launched as XHTML/CSS. In my darkest hour of frustration I did try and re-do the pages with HTML tables and found that it was causing more troubles than it was worth. So, I persisted and found a way to get the layout to behave in IE with divs. I won't bore you all with the whole story but I found out what IE needed to render the page in it's own peculiarly flawed way. If anyone wants to see the finished version check out: http://www.books24x7.net.au - just don't view source on the New Releases page (that was out of my control). If anyone wants to enter the free competition go ahead as it's a great prize and there is a statistically good chance of winning. Thanks to the folks on this list who tried their best to keep me on the straight and narrow (especially BHP David). Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...
Great site Paul. Just one thing though... The subheading though BOLD seem smaller than the the PARA of the body. ?? And on the links page http://www.books24x7.net.au/links.html PARA heads are not bolded like the rest of the site.. Minor inconsistencies but a great site. Well done! Regards, Amit Karmakar www.karmakars.com -Original Message- From: Paul Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2004 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] turning back to the dark side... As a footnote to this thread I want to add that I did in fact stick to the light and the way and the website was launched as XHTML/CSS. In my darkest hour of frustration I did try and re-do the pages with HTML tables and found that it was causing more troubles than it was worth. So, I persisted and found a way to get the layout to behave in IE with divs. I won't bore you all with the whole story but I found out what IE needed to render the page in it's own peculiarly flawed way. If anyone wants to see the finished version check out: http://www.books24x7.net.au - just don't view source on the New Releases page (that was out of my control). If anyone wants to enter the free competition go ahead as it's a great prize and there is a statistically good chance of winning. Thanks to the folks on this list who tried their best to keep me on the straight and narrow (especially BHP David). Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...
Good one Ross! Nice site ... though maybe a bit more leading in the body copy would make it easy to read (sorry for being picky). And by the way ... I'm your father. Peter ;) On 09/03/2004, at 4:00 PM, Paul Ross wrote: As a footnote to this thread I want to add that I did in fact stick to the light and the way and the website was launched as XHTML/CSS. Universal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
RE: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...
And by the way ... I'm your father. Am I to take it then that CSS is essentially a bunch of Jedi mind tricks? Brendan From: Universal Head [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 09/03/04 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] turning back to the dark side... Good one Ross! Nice site ... though maybe a bit more leading in the body copy would make it easy to read (sorry for being picky). And by the way ... I'm your father. Peter ;) On 09/03/2004, at 4:00 PM, Paul Ross wrote: As a footnote to this thread I want to add that I did in fact stick to the light and the way and the website was launched as XHTML/CSS. Universal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com winmail.dat
RE: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...
Oops! That should have been Ross, not Paul Sorry about that. Regards, Amit Karmakar www.karmakars.com -Original Message- From: Amit Karmakar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2004 4:09 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [WSG] turning back to the dark side... Great site Paul. Just one thing though... The subheading though BOLD seem smaller than the the PARA of the body. ?? And on the links page http://www.books24x7.net.au/links.html PARA heads are not bolded like the rest of the site.. Minor inconsistencies but a great site. Well done! Regards, Amit Karmakar www.karmakars.com -Original Message- From: Paul Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2004 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] turning back to the dark side... As a footnote to this thread I want to add that I did in fact stick to the light and the way and the website was launched as XHTML/CSS. In my darkest hour of frustration I did try and re-do the pages with HTML tables and found that it was causing more troubles than it was worth. So, I persisted and found a way to get the layout to behave in IE with divs. I won't bore you all with the whole story but I found out what IE needed to render the page in it's own peculiarly flawed way. If anyone wants to see the finished version check out: http://www.books24x7.net.au - just don't view source on the New Releases page (that was out of my control). If anyone wants to enter the free competition go ahead as it's a great prize and there is a statistically good chance of winning. Thanks to the folks on this list who tried their best to keep me on the straight and narrow (especially BHP David). Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...
Hi, when I look at the New Releases page and other sub pages, the top nav seems cut in half, like the images are cut in half. I'm using pc with ie6 and moz 1.6, they both displayed the same. Was there a reason you used a different style sheet for the sub pages? It seems like its the same code expect for some leftnav form stuff at the bottom of each one. You could save bandwidth by just placing these in one style sheet and then the browser loads and caches just the one. Regarding the nav thing, you use a different id for each of the images in the sub pages than the index page. May fix it by changing that, not sure though. Like the lined background thing on the left, works really well with the top pic =) Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Paul Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2004 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] turning back to the dark side... As a footnote to this thread I want to add that I did in fact stick to the light and the way and the website was launched as XHTML/CSS. In my darkest hour of frustration I did try and re-do the pages with HTML tables and found that it was causing more troubles than it was worth. So, I persisted and found a way to get the layout to behave in IE with divs. I won't bore you all with the whole story but I found out what IE needed to render the page in it's own peculiarly flawed way. If anyone wants to see the finished version check out: http://www.books24x7.net.au - just don't view source on the New Releases page (that was out of my control). If anyone wants to enter the free competition go ahead as it's a great prize and there is a statistically good chance of winning. Thanks to the folks on this list who tried their best to keep me on the straight and narrow (especially BHP David). Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...
Sorry for barging in here Michael. This is a bit OT, but I need to send you (Michael Donnermeyer) a PM to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. So if you see, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please open it, as it will be in plain text format with no attachments added. I have already tried to email you, but received no reply, so I assume you either did not receive the original, or have maybe deleted it, as it was a cold call. Perhaps Michael, you could send me a quick PM to let me know that you will okay this? Sorry also to everyone on the WSG, for this little interuptive message. Regards, JG --- Michael Donnermeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You actually expect Microsoft to create a product that works?!? G How about one that follows standards? (RIGHT!) All kidding aside, it's a royal pain in the U know what and it'll probably result in 'pattern baldness' from ripping your own hair out, but in the long run it'll be worth it. It's about time for M$ to 'evolve' (or copy someone elses idea as their own) anyway. I doubt I'd ever go back, personally. MD On Mar 4, 2004, at 22:26, Paul Ross wrote: How stupid are they over there in Redmond? We have had CSS1 since, what 1996/97 and 8 years down the track (that's 734 internet years) and IE is still blundering about like a drunken bull in a china shop. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * _ Why Pay $35 for a .COM, .NET or .ORG Web Address? iDotz.Net offers Cool Domains @ Great Prices! Starting @ $8.75 Go: http://www.idotz.net * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...
You actually expect Microsoft to create a product that works?!? G How about one that follows standards? (RIGHT!) All kidding aside, it's a royal pain in the U know what and it'll probably result in 'pattern baldness' from ripping your own hair out, but in the long run it'll be worth it. It's about time for M$ to 'evolve' (or copy someone elses idea as their own) anyway. I doubt I'd ever go back, personally. MD On Mar 4, 2004, at 22:26, Paul Ross wrote: How stupid are they over there in Redmond? We have had CSS1 since, what 1996/97 and 8 years down the track (that's 734 internet years) and IE is still blundering about like a drunken bull in a china shop. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] turning back to the dark side...
Hello folks, rantI have reached the end of my patience with am about to ditch XHTML/CSS as a realistic working method and go back to using HTML tables until the technology has matured enough to be ready for the big-time. Yet again I have a valid XHTML transitional site that refuses to render correctly in IEx. This is my 3rd site in a row that has come up with one IE bug after another. I am spending more time on hacking for IE than I am in building the damn sites!/rant Can anyone save me from turing back to the dark side and see where the problem lies on this page for example...? http://www.books24x7.net.au/faqs.html If you look on any version of IE you'll see the 3 graphics along the top break and the end one wraps underneath. They are supposed to be aligned | 1 | 2 | 3 | and they do in Mozilla, Firebird/fox, Opera. I have researched online all the IE specific bugs and come to the conclusion that IE does not like the pixel perfect dimensions and is (for some reason) saying the graphics are too big for the container. I have tried the Tan Hack and the Holly Hack which fix half the issues but am still seeing errors. Regards PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...
That's good advice. BTW. Using tables doesn't automatically make your markup invalid. You can happily use tables and still get 100% compliant markup. Chris Blown http://hinterlands.com.au Why not just relax a little and do a table for the part that's giving you all the heartburn, and move on the rest of the site as compliant. The html wont validate, but will that really matter that much? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
