[WSG] weird IE6 doctype switching question
Hi guys, This is probably going to sound really weird but I need this for something I'm working on. Question: Is it possible to make IE6 use the broken box model for a PART of the document? This means I have an XHTML 1.0 Strict / Transitional document with a div in it for which the inner content should be rendered with the broken box model, only in IE 6, not Firefox. Is there any way to do this at all? Cheers, Marco ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] weird IE6 doctype switching question
G'day This is probably going to sound really weird but I need this for something I'm working on. Yep, you got that right but I won't ask why :-) Question: Is it possible to make IE6 use the broken box model for a PART of the document? As far as I know, the only way you'd get that behaviour would be if you insert a document (with quirks mode trigger) into an iframe (or object) on the compliant page. Note: just a theory - I haven't tested it. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] weird IE6 doctype switching question
Marco van Hylckama Vlieg wrote: Question: Is it possible to make IE6 use the broken box model for a PART of the document? No, DOCTYPE switching applies to the whole document, not just parts of the document. The different box model may one day be able to be chosen using the proposed 'box-sizing' property [1] in the CSS3 box model module. Mozilla has some support for it as '-moz-box-sizing'. Although, as noted in the CSS3 draft, 'box-sizing' may actually be dropped in favour of a better solution. This means I have an XHTML 1.0 Strict / Transitional document with a div in it for which the inner content should be rendered with the broken box model, only in IE 6, not Firefox. Your going about trying to solve this the wrong way. Instead of trying to solve the problem by making a browser use intentionally broken behaviour (quirks mode) because it gives the intended result, try and work out the cause of the different rendering and find an alternate method or (as a last resort) use a hack. You may find that your problem is one of the many well documented IE bugs for which many workarounds are readily available. As for quirks mode, you should basically try to forget it even exists as an alternative and never, under any circumstances, attempt to develop a page using it. Use of quirks mode is never a good solution to any problem. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-css3-box-20021024/#the-box-width -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] weird IE6 doctype switching question
Lachlan Hunt wrote: Marco van Hylckama Vlieg wrote: Question: Is it possible to make IE6 use the broken box model for a PART of the document? No, DOCTYPE switching applies to the whole document, not just parts of the document. The different box model may one day be able to be chosen using the proposed 'box-sizing' property [1] in the CSS3 box model module. Mozilla has some support for it as '-moz-box-sizing'. Although, as noted in the CSS3 draft, 'box-sizing' may actually be dropped in favour of a better solution. This means I have an XHTML 1.0 Strict / Transitional document with a div in it for which the inner content should be rendered with the broken box model, only in IE 6, not Firefox. Your going about trying to solve this the wrong way. Instead of trying to solve the problem by making a browser use intentionally broken behaviour (quirks mode) because it gives the intended result, try and work out the cause of the different rendering and find an alternate method or (as a last resort) use a hack. You may find that your problem is one of the many well documented IE bugs for which many workarounds are readily available. As for quirks mode, you should basically try to forget it even exists as an alternative and never, under any circumstances, attempt to develop a page using it. Use of quirks mode is never a good solution to any problem. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-css3-box-20021024/#the-box-width Unless you're trying to write an example page to demonstrate the different behaviours of different browsers. Stephen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] weird IE6 doctype switching question
About the 'why': I'm working on a little Backbase application. From what I've seen so far it seems to require quirks mode to function right in Internet Explorer. You can see this because their website at www.backbase.com has !-- -- on top of the page. Now I want to include a little backbase powered mini-app inside my weblog, of which the pages (of course) require strict rendering mode. I can do it in an iframe with the !-- -- thing on top of the document that's loaded inside of it but that results in another problem: the iframe's height. As it's an ajax thing the height of the inner document will vary and I don't want the iframe to ever have a scrollbar. I guess my only option is to limit the height of the ajax generated content in order to make sure it never gets higher than my iframe then? - Marco Bert Doorn wrote: G'day This is probably going to sound really weird but I need this for something I'm working on. Yep, you got that right but I won't ask why :-) Question: Is it possible to make IE6 use the broken box model for a PART of the document? As far as I know, the only way you'd get that behaviour would be if you insert a document (with quirks mode trigger) into an iframe (or object) on the compliant page. Note: just a theory - I haven't tested it. Regards ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] weird IE6 doctype switching question
Lachlan Hunt wrote: As for quirks mode, you should basically try to forget it even exists as an alternative and never, under any circumstances, attempt to develop a page using it. Use of quirks mode is never a good solution to any problem. IMHO, throwing IE6 into quirksmode is sometimes the only way to make it behave. Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] weird IE6 doctype switching question
Thierry Koblentz wrote: IMHO, throwing IE6 into quirksmode is sometimes the only way to make it behave. Agreed. Makes IE6 behave almost according to standards without any of its Strict but not very standard limitations. However, using a !-- comment -- to achieve Quirks mode in IE6 should be limited to HTML4, and not used with XHTML1.0. A proper xml declaration works just fine, and should really be there anyway. Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
