Re: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion
Hello List, After doing the homework (thanks to James Ellis and an excellent tutorial from him about the subject) I think I have managed to create a solid 3-col layout using CSS. It is here: http://www.apex-ethics.com/ (OT) This site belongs to an ethics organization (APEX, Association for Positive Ethical eXchange) from and for site owners and webmasters. It tries to encourage professional practices regarding privacy, copyright and ethics amongst site owners providing goods and services. Feel free to look around, please. Any good soul can provide feedback on IE5/Mac? I was able to test already it in the the platform from hell as James called it: IE5.5/WinME. It worked fine. On a side note, did you have any info about some webservers, like this at doteasy.com, not serving images as backgrounds if the images are less than 1Kb in size?! I almost fainted when after uploading the pages, all the bullets were missing. I am using the background bullet technique. The background-image only worked if the image was bigger than 1Kb. I had to change the url() for the background images, so that I can load them from my domain server, cb2web.com. That's why you will see that in the CSS. Just a matter of time until we move to a new hosting provider, hopefully. But, how can this be set by a server?! Thank you List, Carlos www.cb2web.com - Original Message - From: Cb2 Web Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion Russ, I'll appreciate if you can send me a screen shoot, please... thank you! Too bad, I was hoping it could hold... Any other browser/OS combinations ? Thank you all in advance. Carlos - Original Message - From: russ weakley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion Do you think it will hold? Or is it to clumpsy? Can someone tell me what happens in a IE/Mac environment? MacIE - breaks badly. Three columns end up one under each other - seems to be a width issue. Can send screen shot if needed. Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion
El mar, 20-04-2004 a las 12:41, Bert escribió: I am using the background bullet technique. Can't help you on the server issue (other than to make the image bigger so the server WILL serve it) but what is the background bullet technique? Can't you use a list-style-image? Inconsistencies in the render of list-style-image make its use not to easy. A common workaround is to set the style to list-style-type:none and use a bullet image as the background to the li element (1). At least, i think he's talking about that, didn't catch the original message :) (1) http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listutorial/introduction.htm -- Manuel González Noriega Simplelógica, construcción web URL: http://simplelogica.net EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TELEFONO: (+34) 985 22 12 65 Logicola es el weblog de Simplelógica http://simplelogica.net/logicola/ /pThat's right. We said Frontpage./p * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion
Hi Bert, You said: What about all those nested divs - not as bad as (shudder) nested tables, but is it necessary? - Not that bad at all, see Nested DIVs, nested TABLEs, what's the difference? at (1). Anyway, and this way, I have dealt with the box model problem in IE without hacks (I think). As I told, this was based on something James Ellis posted a while ago at WSG, see (2) and look for 3 column CSS layout with footer that works; - The metadata is experimental, as I am trying to incorporate Dublin Core Metadata in the design and look for the results (in terms of searchability); - The class=normal is my way of controlling template properties in Dreamweaver, so that some items in the navigation menu, defined in the template, can be changed in the individual pages... for instance, setting the style of the current page corresponding item in the left menu to another background-color and color, as well as suppressing the link to itself. I know, I am not an hand-coder, shame on me :)); You said: Can't help you on the server issue (other than to make the image bigger so the server WILL serve it) but what is the background bullet technique? Can't you use a list-style-image? - Manuel already answered: Yes, that's the reason and the source is that resource (3) that Manuel pointed; Thank you for your feedback, Bert :) (1) http://www.alistapart.com/articles/practicalcss/ (2) http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/ (3) http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listutorial/introduction.htm My best, Carlos www.cb2web.com - Original Message - From: Bert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion Hi Carlos and group I'm new to the Web Standards Group and am not famliar with past discussion topics - hope I'm not speaking out of turn. I'm quite familiar with CSS and XHTML (1.1) but always willing to learn new tricks. http://www.apex-ethics.com/ One of the things I noticed is the amount of code in the head section - lots of comments (presumably inserted by Dreamweaver) and Meta data. Perhaps I'm ignorant, but is all that code necessary for a site to function? What about all those nested divs - not as bad as (shudder) nested tables, but is it necessary? Also, I see lots of links with class=normal. Would it not be more efficient to set the default link in the container to waht this class represents? In other words, set the style for #Navleft a to what your normal class currently has. (I tend to use classes only for exceptions) I am using the background bullet technique. Can't help you on the server issue (other than to make the image bigger so the server WILL serve it) but what is the background bullet technique? Can't you use a list-style-image? Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design www.betterwebdesign.com.au Fast-loading, user-friendly websites * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion
Russ, I'll appreciate if you can send me a screen shoot, please... thank you! Too bad, I was hoping it could hold... Any other browser/OS combinations ? Thank you all in advance. Carlos - Original Message - From: russ weakley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion Do you think it will hold? Or is it to clumpsy? Can someone tell me what happens in a IE/Mac environment? MacIE - breaks badly. Three columns end up one under each other - seems to be a width issue. Can send screen shot if needed. Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * $0 Bannerless Web Hosting, 10 POP and Web Email Accounts, more Get It Now At www.doteasy.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion
Instead of one screenshot, how about 23 screenshots: http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=55491 Click on the small screenshot to see full size versions. Russ Russ, I'll appreciate if you can send me a screen shoot, please... thank you! Too bad, I was hoping it could hold... Any other browser/OS combinations ? Thank you all in advance. Carlos * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
