RE: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x
Regarding Why beat your head against the wall of buggy browsers when the manufacturer themselves supplies a workaround? I want to know more about conditional comments. Is this a good resource? http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537512.aspx#Conditional_Statement s Joyce -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Gleitzman Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:28 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x On 2 Jul 2007, at 6:09 PM, Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: I guess I was hoping to fix the problem(s), rather than just rely on a hack. Other suggestions appreciated. Fair enough, but I'd say your chances of getting the one set of css rules to display correctly in all browsers are pretty slim - especially if you want to include browsers as flawed as Exploder 5.x. Even MS themselves accept how hard this is - hence CCs. I routinely serve as many as three alternative stylesheets vis CCs for different versions of IE. They only need to contain a handful of rules necessary to override the correct values served to compliant browsers. Whether you consider CCs a hack is, I guess, subjective. But your code will validate, and they're easy to remove with a global search and replace if and when the time comes that you don't need them any more. Why beat your head against the wall of buggy browsers when the manufacturer themselves supplies a workaround? N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x
On Behalf Of Joyce Evans I want to know more about conditional comments. Is this a good resource? http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en- us/library/ms537512.aspx#Conditional_Statement Yes it is. You can also check this article I wrote: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/conditional_comments.asp HTH, --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x
Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: 2. If I don't include a dreaded hack in my css (which I'd really like to remove because my style sheet doesn't validate) So use a Conditional Comment - ? N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x
Hi Nick, I guess I was hoping to fix the problem(s), rather than just rely on a hack. Other suggestions appreciated. So use a Conditional Comment - ? 2. If I don't include a dreaded hack in my css (which I'd really like to remove because my style sheet doesn't validate) Sarah -- XERT Communications http://www.xert.com.au/ web design development Geofeat International http://geofeat.com/ all things green, eco-friendly organic The Virtual Collective http://geofeat.com/tvc/ join today help create one world one humanity *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x
On 2 Jul 2007, at 6:09 PM, Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: I guess I was hoping to fix the problem(s), rather than just rely on a hack. Other suggestions appreciated. Fair enough, but I'd say your chances of getting the one set of css rules to display correctly in all browsers are pretty slim - especially if you want to include browsers as flawed as Exploder 5.x. Even MS themselves accept how hard this is - hence CCs. I routinely serve as many as three alternative stylesheets vis CCs for different versions of IE. They only need to contain a handful of rules necessary to override the correct values served to compliant browsers. Whether you consider CCs a hack is, I guess, subjective. But your code will validate, and they're easy to remove with a global search and replace if and when the time comes that you don't need them any more. Why beat your head against the wall of buggy browsers when the manufacturer themselves supplies a workaround? N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x
Seconded -- compared to all the other hacks you'll need to make when coding for IE browsers, conditional comments are the least of your worries; in fact they are your friend! On 02/07/07, Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2 Jul 2007, at 6:09 PM, Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: I guess I was hoping to fix the problem(s), rather than just rely on a hack. Other suggestions appreciated. Fair enough, but I'd say your chances of getting the one set of css rules to display correctly in all browsers are pretty slim - especially if you want to include browsers as flawed as Exploder 5.x. Even MS themselves accept how hard this is - hence CCs. I routinely serve as many as three alternative stylesheets vis CCs for different versions of IE. They only need to contain a handful of rules necessary to override the correct values served to compliant browsers. Whether you consider CCs a hack is, I guess, subjective. But your code will validate, and they're easy to remove with a global search and replace if and when the time comes that you don't need them any more. Why beat your head against the wall of buggy browsers when the manufacturer themselves supplies a workaround? N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- David Little -e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -w: www.littled.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x
Just a quick question. Why we still coding/ hacking for IE5??? On 7/2/07, Sarah Peeke (XERT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nick, I guess I was hoping to fix the problem(s), rather than just rely on a hack. Other suggestions appreciated. So use a Conditional Comment - ? 2. If I don't include a dreaded hack in my css (which I'd really like to remove because my style sheet doesn't validate) Sarah -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x
Hi Jermayn, Just a quick question. Why we still coding/ hacking for IE5??? Good point. It's just that the site works very well in IE5.5 *except* for this problem - which, by the way, I've just about fixed. Also, my website browser stats have IE5.x at about 2% - not much I know, but when you also consider Opera, IE5 Mac and Safari also share 1-2% of my audience each, then, by looking after this bunch I'm satisfying roughly 6-8% of my audience. Thanks Sarah -- XERT Communications http://www.xert.com.au/ web design development Geofeat International http://geofeat.com/ all things green, eco-friendly organic The Virtual Collective http://geofeat.com/tvc/ join today help create one world one humanity *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x
Sarah Peeke (XERT) schreef: Hi Jermayn, Just a quick question. Why we still coding/ hacking for IE5??? Also, my website browser stats have IE5.x at about 2% - not much I know, but when you also consider Opera, IE5 Mac and Safari also share 1-2% of my audience each, then, by looking after this bunch I'm satisfying roughly 6-8% of my audience. The difference is that people who use Opera or Safari chose a decent browser to visit your site. The ones using IE5 don't really seem to matter (or they're still using Win95). Of course it's a good thing to provide every visitor with the best experience possible, but personaly I'd rather optimize for (and thereby stimulate the use of) decent modern browsers than for IE5. cheers, Sander *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
