Re: [WSG] PDA Viewer
Thanks for all the suggestions. I've not got a particular device in mind, but rather wanted to get a general idea of how a site might look on a small screen. The suggestions here have covered it very nicely, so thanks. Also, as luck would have it, web-graphics.com have just published a very handy article on this very subject. Lots more info to mine on there: http://web-graphics.com/mtarchive/001263.php With the gowing poularity of small screen devices, 3G and all of the other broadband wireless solutions, I see a growing need for reliable testing software as testing on this broad spectrum of actual devices is impractical (although it would be fun having the budget to purchase and test on 'em). Of cource, if they all support standards in a reliable way, then that helps a great deal. Cheers, Charles -- Charles Roper www.charlesroper.co.uk * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] PDA Viewer
Belatedly, the PDA browser I use is Plucker, which has lots of great features and is open-source. It's for Palms, not Windows PDAs, but is compatible with Mac, Windows and LINUX. http://www.plkr.org/ Have You Validated Your Code? John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 2110 Senior Developer, ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] PDA Viewer
For mobiles, emulators help reduce our development cost with reduced packet costs but we still need to test on as many real mobiles we can get you hands on. Are you targeting a specific PDA OS? Kyle On 2004 Jul 02, , at 19:07, Charles Roper wrote: Or perhaps a simulator isn't the best solution? How do others test their sites for compatibility with small screens? -- mobile web gear | pukupi.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] PDA Viewer
Hi Gecko based browsers have an extension called Small Screen Rendering. Again, like the Opera SS rendering option it just passes the page through a special stylesheet to emulate the screen res. It doesn't emulate the various quirks of various handheld User Agents. http://www.disruptive-innovations.com/products/ HTH James Charles Roper wrote: Hi All, Can anyone recommend a decent PDA/small screen simulator? I've seen a few knocking around, but I've not used one in anger to properly test sites. Obviously using the real this is the ideal option, but impractical. Or perhaps a simulator isn't the best solution? How do others test their sites for compatibility with small screens? Many thanks, Charles * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] PDA Viewer
Charles The Opera browser for windows mac (used in some handhelds as well AFAIK) has a small screen emulator at view - small screen The other option would be to view it on your own PDA (if you have one) -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Charles Roper wrote: Hi All, Can anyone recommend a decent PDA/small screen simulator? I've seen a few knocking around, but I've not used one in anger to properly test sites. Obviously using the real this is the ideal option, but impractical. Or perhaps a simulator isn't the best solution? How do others test their sites for compatibility with small screens? Many thanks, Charles * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] PDA Viewer
However a point to note is that this also activates the opera small screen rendering mode which does mean that this view is really only useful for simulating opera browser. Really any simulator you get will just be an apporximation... perhaps the best way would be to try and find people with various devices to help you test... s Derek Featherstone wrote: Neerav wrote: The Opera browser for windows mac (used in some handhelds as well AFAIK) has a small screen emulator at view - small screen Or you can toggle in and out of small screen mode using Shift + F11 if you have a predisposition to using the keyboard... Cheers, Derek. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] PDA Viewer
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:31:32 -0400, Derek Featherstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neerav wrote: The Opera browser for windows mac (used in some handhelds as well AFAIK) has a small screen emulator at view - small screen Or you can toggle in and out of small screen mode using Shift + F11 if you have a predisposition to using the keyboard... Cheers. I didn't realise Opera had this functionality. I'll give it a whirl. Charles * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] PDA Viewer
Microsoft has a pocket pc emulater on their site. I can't tell you where it is, it wasn't easy to find the first time. I believe it is a part of their pocket pc programmer kit. Ted -Original Message- From: Charles Roper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 3:08 AM To: Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG] PDA Viewer Hi All, Can anyone recommend a decent PDA/small screen simulator? I've seen a few knocking around, but I've not used one in anger to properly test sites. Obviously using the real this is the ideal option, but impractical. Or perhaps a simulator isn't the best solution? How do others test their sites for compatibility with small screens? Many thanks, Charles -- Charles Roper www.charlesroper.co.uk * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
