Re: [WSG] how a href with javascript pass in A level
Hi, CynthiaSays should only be used as a first step so passing any online automated accessibility test by no means guarantee's that a site is accessible so you should always do a manual check. The search is definitely not accessible on the link you've provided as it simply doesn't work without JavaScript. The header (imagemap) also uses JavaScript so this appears broken to anyone browsing without it. If this same content is still navigable using the main menu then I wouldn't consider this a major issue although they should certainly remove the icon (hand pointer) when JavaScript isn't enabled otherwise it appears clickable when it's not. I agree, that maybe the online validation tests should give more warning that you need to manually test as well but I'd always treat them as an initial test just to ensure you have the basics in place before a manual accessibility test takes place. Hope that helps. Dave - - - - - - - - - - Dave Woods http://www.dave-woods.co.uk On 23/10/2007, Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, iam trying to understand how a page that have 1 or 2 javascript in href could pass in level A of WCAG 1. it have a noscript but that doesnt prove anything, cynthisays.com and TAW validators give the some result. I think they should give a warning or even a Human check. To prove if equivalent information are provide? The site that iam testing is www.alentejolitoral.pt it use a a href=javascript:SEB97811_Submit() title=Go Search but for using a noscript it pass in level A, this should be checked by humam, right!? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] how a href with javascript pass in A level
The problem is that the test pass in level A, and some links doesnt work without javascript but because of a existense of a noscript the test pass. I think this should get a manual check or warning. because almost noscript that i see just tell, this need flash plugin or this site need javascript or simple tell me that javascript is disabled. This it's not alternative information! So all clients that require level A, still gona have a inaccessible site, right!? On 23/10/2007, Dave Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, CynthiaSays should only be used as a first step so passing any online automated accessibility test by no means guarantee's that a site is accessible so you should always do a manual check. The search is definitely not accessible on the link you've provided as it simply doesn't work without JavaScript. The header (imagemap) also uses JavaScript so this appears broken to anyone browsing without it. If this same content is still navigable using the main menu then I wouldn't consider this a major issue although they should certainly remove the icon (hand pointer) when JavaScript isn't enabled otherwise it appears clickable when it's not. I agree, that maybe the online validation tests should give more warning that you need to manually test as well but I'd always treat them as an initial test just to ensure you have the basics in place before a manual accessibility test takes place. Hope that helps. Dave - - - - - - - - - - Dave Woods http://www.dave-woods.co.uk On 23/10/2007, Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, iam trying to understand how a page that have 1 or 2 javascript in href could pass in level A of WCAG 1. it have a noscript but that doesnt prove anything, cynthisays.com and TAW validators give the some result. I think they should give a warning or even a Human check. To prove if equivalent information are provide? The site that iam testing is www.alentejolitoral.pt it use a a href=javascript:SEB97811_Submit() title=Go Search but for using a noscript it pass in level A, this should be checked by humam, right!? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] how a href with javascript pass in A level
Gaspar I think this should get a manual check or warning. You should ALWAYS do human checks of whatever an automated validation tools tells you, unless it's something purely technical (e.g. does markup validate to spec). P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] how a href with javascript pass in A level
yes thats is my oppinion too, but the clients only gona see if pass or not. And for many developments that's all that matter. On 23/10/2007, Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gaspar I think this should get a manual check or warning. You should ALWAYS do human checks of whatever an automated validation tools tells you, unless it's something purely technical (e.g. does markup validate to spec). P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] how a href with javascript pass in A level
The problem is that the test pass in level A, and some links doesnt work without javascript but because of a existense of a noscript the test pass. I think this should get a manual check or warning. because almost noscript that i see just tell, this need flash plugin or this site need javascript or simple tell me that javascript is disabled. This it's not alternative information! So all clients that require level A, still gona have a inaccessible site, right!? That means it would also fail my old favourite accessability test going right back to the old days ... - view it in lynx to see what the page looks like without images, plugins, javascript, css or tables http://lynx.isc.org/ lynx was also the first web browser I ever used back in 1994 (I had a 386 back then with 2MB RAM and a shell account on linux bbs - so running something like Mosaic or Netscape was not possible!) I guess thats why I knew about hx tags, the alt attribute, unordered lists, etc before I knew anything about tables, fonts, etc... because until a couple of years later when I bought a new computer I wasn't very interested in markup I could not see on lynx! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
