Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread john
 They suggested that the looks that are out, or dated are, ...Retro;
 Swiss/Euro; Minimal; that standards-compliant look, which I thought 
 some of you might find an interesting read.

You mean, like the standards-compliant look of his own site? ;)
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Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread James Bennett
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:17:00 -0600 (CST),
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wrote:
 They suggested that the looks that are out, or dated are, ...Retro;
 Swiss/Euro; Minimal; that standards-compliant look, which I thought some
 of you might find an interesting read.

Two columns plus header and footer? Check.
Drop shadow? Check.
IFR? Check.

I do hope they're planning to launch a redesign with the new year,
otherwise they're going to have some self-refuting prophecies on their
hands.

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Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread David R
Forty Media wrote:
Flash widgets come into common use; full-site Flash still regarded as sucks.
If there's one thing I cannot stand... its use of Inline flash 
replacement to use fancy fonts for headings

Of course, I'm more affected than most because I've got the FlashBlock 
Firefox extension installed, so I have to click the play button for 
every heading

Still... can't they just stick to CSS implementations? This solution 
provides the exact same effect:

[code]
h1 span {
 visibility: none;
}
#h-intro {
 background: url(assets\headings\introduction.png) no-repeat left top;
}
h1 id=h-introspanIntroduction/span/h1
[/code]
Or change visiblity: none; to some indent and set the h1 element to 
hide overflow content

Simple and effective, and it doens't annoy me in the process :)
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Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread Manuel González Noriega
 Still... can't they just stick to CSS implementations? This solution
 provides the exact same effect:

Except that when you're dealing with higly dynamic content (say, a
weblog or a news site), tweaking the css 10 times an hour becomes
problematic.

This is a good article on the how and when of Flash Replacement
http://usabletype.com/articles/2004/how-and-when-to-use-sifr/

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Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread David R
Manuel González Noriega wrote:
Still... can't they just stick to CSS implementations? This solution
provides the exact same effect:

Except that when you're dealing with higly dynamic content (say, a
weblog or a news site), tweaking the css 10 times an hour becomes
problematic.
With a bit of server-side know-how, the CSS can be generated at the same 
time

The headings could be defined in a dynamic CSS file... for example:
[Code]
link rel=stylehsheet title=Appendix-Headings 
href=styles/themename/headings.aspx /

%Page ContentType=text/css enableViewState=false%
asp:repeater
itemtemplate
#heading-%# DataBinder.Item(HeadingName) % {
   background: %# DataBinder.Item(ImageName) %
}
/itemtemplate
/asp:repeater
[/Code]
I'd go into more detail about generating the contents of the DataSet, 
but you get the idea :)

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Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:44:24 +, David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
 
 With a bit of server-side know-how, the CSS can be generated at the same
 time
... 

CSS is good, cause it is cached. Dynamic CSS leaves us without the
benefits of caching.
I am not fan of sIFR, but feedling with CSS like this doesnt feel good either.

Regards,
Rimantas
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Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread David R
Rimantas Liubertas wrote:
CSS is good, cause it is cached. Dynamic CSS leaves us without the
benefits of caching.
I am not fan of sIFR, but feedling with CSS like this doesnt feel good either.
Well... there's always inline styles ;)
h1 style=background: url('intro-heading');spanIntroduction/span/h1
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Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread Manuel González Noriega
 
 The headings could be defined in a dynamic CSS file... for example:
..
 I'd go into more detail about generating the contents of the DataSet,
 but you get the idea :)

I do, but you still have to create the images each time. You can also
automate that but by the time you're done with it you could have
implemented siFR like 57 times over.


Like I said, (and keep in mind I'm pretty much the 'flash content
sucks' type) I think there are some scenarios where siFR has a legit
use. The link I sent sums them up nicely.

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Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-29 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 12/29/04 10:17 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 They suggested that the looks that are out, or dated are, ...Retro;
 Swiss/Euro; Minimal; “that standards-compliant look,” which I thought some
 of you might find an interesting read.
 
 http://www.fortymedia.com/2005-web-design-forecast.fhtml

Very interesting read. Thanks

I agree about the web standards look. It's generally very tired and bland.

Rick Faaberg

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