Re: [wsjt-devel] TUNE and TX levels different, why?

[Barry Jackson]

On 14/11/2020 19:44, Bill Somerville wrote:



Barry,

have you tried just checking the "Transmit" option?



I have now, and yes that does appear to be doing what I want, both 
transmit and tune settings seem to be the same.


I can't understand why, from the way the options are presented, but if 
I'm the only one with this misunderstanding then maybe its just me :\


Thanks again,

Barry
G4MKT



73
Bill
G4WJS.






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Re: [wsjt-devel] Power Slider problem with macOS Big Sur

[Robert Rearden]

I just upgraded to Big Sur from Catalina. The mouse action described in Greg 
Vatt's email regarding the power slider anomaly also occurs in WSJT-X v2.2.2 
after upgrade to Big Sur.

Robert Rearden
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Subject: [wsjt-devel] Power Slider problem with macOS Big Sur
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I upgraded to macOS Big Sur today on its official release. Everything was 
checking out fine with WSJT-X v2.3.0-rc1 8f99fc and I was about ready to 
attempt to make an on-the-air contact. I went to check the power level by 
sliding the PWR Slider and that?s when I noticed the slider thumb action is now 
inverted. 


Here is the slider prior to any mouse-down action.




When first placing the mouse-down action over the slider thumb and then 
moving the mouse up, the slider thumb actually goes down in the opposite 
direction and the level increases to 0 db (it is now at maximum level output to 
the radio). (Not captured in the screen grab is that the mouse location now is 
actually at the very top of the slider control but the slider-thumb is at the 
very bottom as shown.).

 SUMMARY:  The output audio level tracks the mouse-down location movement but 
the control thumb location displayed is inverted.







The reverse also happens when the mouse-down movement is toward the bottom of 
the slider but the slider-thumb moves in the opposite direction to the top of 
the slider. This creates the HMI problem with the level of the output audio now 
corresponding to its minimum when the slider-thumb is at its maximum level, and 
vise-versa.






Another issue is that when the mouse button is released the slider thumb 
disappears all together from the control as shown below. (It does reappear 
eventually after clicking one or more times somewhere else on the window.)






No other findings:

The sliders in the waterfall window appear to move as expected and I haven?t 
been able to find any other instance (in other programs) where the slider 
behaves abnormally (still checking). This one slider in WSJT-X which controls 
the PWR level appears to be the only instance of this behavior.  I also 
reverted back to WSJT-X V.2.2.2 and it also exhibits the same control issue.



Greg  -  NC7B



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post this I used my other email account and it got intercepted for the 
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Re: [wsjt-devel] TUNE and TX levels different, why?

[Bill Somerville]

On 14/11/2020 19:19, Barry Jackson wrote:

On 14/11/2020 18:30, Bill Somerville wrote:


Barry,

the default *is* that the level is the same for all transmissions. 
Only if you enable the power level per band options does the level 
for tune and normal Tx get saved separately.


I don't see a connection between wanting to save power levels per band 
and not being able to then set those power levels using the TUNE button.




Reduced power for tuning is commonly needed for those with auto-ATUs.


That I understand.



73
Bill
G4WJS.
Cheers,


Thanks for your quick response, that will make life easier as I would 
never have found that apparently unrelated setting.


May I ask for an enhancement that will allow the default action but 
also allow saving of power levels per band.


Cheers,
Barry
G4MKT 


Barry,

have you tried just checking the "Transmit" option?

73
Bill
G4WJS.

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Re: [wsjt-devel] TUNE and TX levels different, why?

[Barry Jackson]

On 14/11/2020 18:30, Bill Somerville wrote:


Barry,

the default *is* that the level is the same for all transmissions. Only 
if you enable the power level per band options does the level for tune 
and normal Tx get saved separately.


I don't see a connection between wanting to save power levels per band 
and not being able to then set those power levels using the TUNE button.




Reduced power for tuning is commonly needed for those with auto-ATUs.


That I understand.



73
Bill
G4WJS.
Cheers,


Thanks for your quick response, that will make life easier as I would 
never have found that apparently unrelated setting.


May I ask for an enhancement that will allow the default action but also 
allow saving of power levels per band.


Cheers,
Barry
G4MKT



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Re: [wsjt-devel] TUNE and TX levels different, why?

[Don Hawbaker]

I do not see a separate control for TX power.  Where is it?

I did not realize until yesterday, that the level control affected all power 
output, not just tune.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yztg5tzb48sa7m/FT8Noise7.pdf?dl=0


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Re: [wsjt-devel] TUNE and TX levels different, why?

[david]

TUNE could be the power setting recommended for your antenna tuner to do its
job.
And the TX level is for sending messages.
My antenna tuner requires at least 25 watts to work properly, but I may only
operate with 10 watts.

David, AK2L


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From: Barry Jackson  
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 09:43
To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [wsjt-devel] TUNE and TX levels different, why?

Why do TUNE and TX have separate level settings?

I want to use TUNE to adjust the power level for the next transmit cycles,
isn't that what everyone wants?

If there is some obscure use case for separate levels, then may I suggest a
means of making this optional, and the default being that there is only one
setting used for both TUNE and TX?
Maybe a 'Link' check box.

Thanks,
Barry
G4MKT


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[wsjt-devel] Sticky 'FD' in Field Day CQ

[Jim Shepherd]

Hi
  During the recent Nevada QSO Party we noticed that changing the FD to NV
would not stick like it had in past years. Any change in Frequency would
cause the msg 6 CQ back to FD.  With several states now using the FD
contest overlay for their State QSO Parties, It would be nice to allow
making the state abbreviation sticky again.
   Our encoding of the counties and countylines worked perfectly. It would
also be helpful to add G and H to the precedence reports allowed since the
bits are already allocated so that the full 256 possibilities are available.
73
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Re: [wsjt-devel] TUNE and TX levels different, why?

[Bill Somerville]

On 14/11/2020 16:43, Barry Jackson wrote:

Why do TUNE and TX have separate level settings?

I want to use TUNE to adjust the power level for the next transmit 
cycles, isn't that what everyone wants?


If there is some obscure use case for separate levels, then may I 
suggest a means of making this optional, and the default being that 
there is only one setting used for both TUNE and TX?

Maybe a 'Link' check box.

Thanks,
Barry
G4MKT 


Barry,

the default *is* that the level is the same for all transmissions. Only 
if you enable the power level per band options does the level for tune 
and normal Tx get saved separately.


Reduced power for tuning is commonly needed for those with auto-ATUs.

73
Bill
G4WJS.



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[wsjt-devel] TUNE and TX levels different, why?

[Barry Jackson]

Why do TUNE and TX have separate level settings?

I want to use TUNE to adjust the power level for the next transmit 
cycles, isn't that what everyone wants?


If there is some obscure use case for separate levels, then may I 
suggest a means of making this optional, and the default being that 
there is only one setting used for both TUNE and TX?

Maybe a 'Link' check box.

Thanks,
Barry
G4MKT


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