Re: [wsjt-devel] 60 meters

2020-02-22 Thread Star Light
Oh my God - ENOUGH !


> On Feb 22, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Neil Zampella  wrote:
> 
> 
> PLEASE do NOT continue this here .. its already causing issues on the WSJT 
> groups.io list, and has NOTHING to do with development of WSJT-X modes.
> 
> Neil, KN3ILZ
> 
> On 2/22/2020 12:45 PM, Rich Zwirko - K1HTV wrote:
>> Seannon AG0NY , 
>> 
>> The FCC rules regarding 60 Meter channelized operation require that all of 
>> the components of upper sideband voice transmissions remain within the 
>> defined channel.
>> 
>> 60 Meter Channel 3, (5357 KHz) is used for FT8 operation in the States and a 
>> number of other countries. The center frequency for that channel is 5358.5 
>> KHz.  A normal Upper Sideband , passing through a transmitter’s TX filter 
>> will pass audio signals between 200 and 2800 Hz.  With a user’s VFO set to 
>> 5357 KHz, audio components of a USB signal will occupy between 5357.2 and 
>> 5360 KHz.  
>> 
>> A 50 Hz wide FT8 signal, using the same VFO setting and a tone between  200 
>> Hz and 2750 Hz, will also remain within that channel.  A Pactor signal will 
>> occupy between 5357 and 5359.4 KHz, a whole lot more than a 50 Hz FT8 
>> signal. Expecting all FT8 signals to transmit exactly 1500 Hz, no more, no 
>> less, above the 5357 KHz is ridiculous. It simple won’t happen. 
>> 
>> I don’t know of any FCC actions on any complaints of FT8 interference to any 
>> other services occupying the 60 Meter FT8 frequency of 5357 KHz.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Rich – K1HTV
>> 
>> 
>> AG0NY wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > 9. Under the existing rules, only upper sideband voice transmissions
>> >> are permitted in the 60 meter band. In the NPRM, the Commission proposed 
>> >> to
>> >> authorize the use of three additional emission designators in the band: CW
>> >> emission 150HA1A, which is Morse telegraphy by means of on-off keying, and
>> >> data emissions 2K80J2D and 60H0J2B. In § 97.307(f)(14)(i) of the proposed
>> >> rules, the Commission restricts emission designator 2K80J2D to data using
>> >> PACTOR-III technique and emission designator 60H0J2B to data using PSK31
>> >> technique. The Commission also sought comment on whether amateur stations
>> >> could be permitted to transmit emission types in addition to those
>> >> requested by ARRL in the 60 meter band without increasing the likelihood 
>> >> of
>> >> interference to primary users.  
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Re: [wsjt-devel] 60 meters

2020-02-22 Thread Neil Zampella

PLEASE do NOT continue this here .. its already causing issues on the
WSJT groups.io list, and has NOTHING to do with development of WSJT-X modes.

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 2/22/2020 12:45 PM, Rich Zwirko - K1HTV wrote:


Seannon AG0NY ,

The FCC rules regarding 60 Meter channelized operation require that
all of the components of upper sideband voice transmissions remain
within the defined channel.

60 Meter Channel 3, (5357 KHz) is used for FT8 operation in the States
and a number of other countries. The center frequency for that channel
is 5358.5 KHz.  A normal Upper Sideband , passing through a
transmitter’s TX filter will pass audio signals between 200 and 2800
Hz.  With a user’s VFO set to 5357 KHz, audio components of a USB
signal will occupy between 5357.2 and 5360 KHz.

A 50 Hz wide FT8 signal, using the same VFO setting and a tone
between200 Hz and 2750 Hz, will also remain within that channel. A
Pactor signal will occupy between 5357 and 5359.4 KHz, a whole lot
more than a 50 Hz FT8 signal. Expecting all FT8 signals to transmit
exactly 1500 Hz, no more, no less, above the 5357 KHz is ridiculous.
It simple won’t happen.

I don’t know of any FCC actions on any complaints of FT8 interference
to any other services occupying the 60 Meter FT8 frequency of 5357 KHz.

73,

Rich – K1HTV


AG0NY wrote:
>> >
>> > 9. Under the existing rules, only upper sideband voice transmissions
>> are permitted in the 60 meter band. In the NPRM, the Commission
proposed to
>> authorize the use of three additional emission designators in the
band: CW
>> emission 150HA1A, which is Morse telegraphy by means of on-off
keying, and
>> data emissions 2K80J2D and 60H0J2B. In § 97.307(f)(14)(i) of the
proposed
>> rules, the Commission restricts emission designator 2K80J2D to data
using
>> PACTOR-III technique and emission designator 60H0J2B to data using
PSK31
>> technique. The Commission also sought comment on whether amateur
stations
>> could be permitted to transmit emission types in addition to those
>> requested by ARRL in the 60 meter band without increasing the
likelihood of
>> interference to primary users.
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Re: [wsjt-devel] 60 meters

2020-02-22 Thread Rich Zwirko - K1HTV
Seannon AG0NY ,

The FCC rules regarding 60 Meter channelized operation require that all of
the components of upper sideband voice transmissions remain within the
defined channel.

60 Meter Channel 3, (5357 KHz) is used for FT8 operation in the States and
a number of other countries. The center frequency for that channel is
5358.5 KHz.  A normal Upper Sideband , passing through a transmitter’s TX
filter will pass audio signals between 200 and 2800 Hz.  With a user’s VFO
set to 5357 KHz, audio components of a USB signal will occupy between
5357.2 and 5360 KHz.

A 50 Hz wide FT8 signal, using the same VFO setting and a tone between  200
Hz and 2750 Hz, will also remain within that channel.  A Pactor signal will
occupy between 5357 and 5359.4 KHz, a whole lot more than a 50 Hz FT8
signal. Expecting all FT8 signals to transmit exactly 1500 Hz, no more, no
less, above the 5357 KHz is ridiculous. It simple won’t happen.

I don’t know of any FCC actions on any complaints of FT8 interference to
any other services occupying the 60 Meter FT8 frequency of 5357 KHz.

73,

Rich – K1HTV

AG0NY wrote:
>> >
>> > 9. Under the existing rules, only upper sideband voice transmissions
>> are permitted in the 60 meter band. In the NPRM, the Commission proposed
to
>> authorize the use of three additional emission designators in the band:
CW
>> emission 150HA1A, which is Morse telegraphy by means of on-off keying,
and
>> data emissions 2K80J2D and 60H0J2B. In § 97.307(f)(14)(i) of the proposed
>> rules, the Commission restricts emission designator 2K80J2D to data using
>> PACTOR-III technique and emission designator 60H0J2B to data using PSK31
>> technique. The Commission also sought comment on whether amateur stations
>> could be permitted to transmit emission types in addition to those
>> requested by ARRL in the 60 meter band without increasing the likelihood
of
>> interference to primary users.
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