Re: cmd-tilde is not alt-tilde post catalina
I've given up on XQuartz for now. At least for xterm/uxterm which is the primary use case. After a reboot, XQuartz will not start, I get multiple font dir permission issues now (tried reinstall--same). Makes no sense why it worked after upgrade, but not after reboot. I installed xorg-server from MacPorts and that runs. It still has the disappearing pointer issue that first showed up in Mojave where I have to cmd-tab to fix it. I can get cmd-~ to work if I uncheck "Enable key equiv under X11" in the prefs. But then cmd-Q and cmd-N do not work. I tried xev, and confirmed my .Xmodmap looks correct, however I cannot seem to get back cmd-` behavior. However I didn't spend more than a few min on it. I can adapt to alt-`. However, the real deal breaker is very slow back scrolling. I cannot quickly scrollback xterm output with trackpad swipes. This is a new issue only on catalina. Oh and having to put /bin/bash with full disk access just to get to Documents, Desktop, Downloads from an xterm is a bit over the top. I've been testing iterm2 on my laptops for a year now. I've decided to just use that on my desktop as well where I usually used xterms. Its supported, fast, and can be enabled for full disk access. If I need X11, then I can still use the xorg-server build as needed. On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 8:27 AM Cheng-Yang Tan wrote: > This is very weird. I just tried both cmd tilde and alt tilde on Mojave > and focus change with both methods work. But both methods do *not* work on > Catalina. alt-tilde shows "~" on the commandline on the xterm in Catalina. > > And on Catalina, from my previous post, also do not get any focus change > with Spotlight but does with alt-tab. Very weird. > > cytan > > > > On Sunday, December 15, 2019, 05:48:36 AM CST, Lars-Johan Liman via > X11-users wrote: > > > Hi Egan, > > x11-users@lists.apple.com: > > I just "upgraded" to Catalina today. Post upgrade I cannot use cmd-~ > > (tilde) to bounce around the focus. alt-~ (tilde) works. Any other Mac > > app works with cmd-~. Muscle memory prefers cmd-~. Others see this? > > I have seen similar change of behaviour in Emacs for MaxOSX* which I'm a > dedicated user of, but it happened when I moved from Sierra to Mojave > (IIRC) (note: skipping High Sierra in the path, again IIRC). > > I dug real deep into this, and what I found was utterly perplexing. The > codes send by the keyboard hand been swapped right to left, so that > augmenting keys on the left (e.g., Option-Left) was suddenly sending key > codes for the ones on the right (e.g., Option-Right), and vice versa, > which obviously sent Emacs off the rails in a jiffy. > > I have sent a bug report about this to Apple, but, alas, I have heard > nothing back. > > I wonder if something happened again (going back go normal?) with > Catalina. I haven't tested it yet, so I don't know. > > I hope this helps further debugging. You could test, e.g., using the > debugging tool "xev" that will show you the exact X11 events sent to the > app for mouse movements and clicks, and keyboard key presses and > releases, including key symnbols. > > Best regards, > /Lars-Johan Liman > -- > #-- > # Lars-Johan Liman, M.Sc. ! E-mail: li...@netnod.se > # Senior Systems Specialist! Tel: +46 8 - 562 860 12 > # Netnod Internet Exchange, Stockholm ! http://www.netnod.se/ > > #-- > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > X11-users mailing list (X11-users@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/x11-users/cytan299%40yahoo.com > > This email sent to cytan...@yahoo.com > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. X11-users mailing list (X11-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/x11-users/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Operation not permitted
Just upgraded to Catalina today. Same problem with ~/Documents, et al. Adding XQuartz, uxterm, etc... did not work. However adding /bin/bash to Security/Privacy fixed it for me (I've not switched to zsh yet). On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 5:27 PM Jonathan Prescott via X11-users < x11-users@lists.apple.com> wrote: > All of that makes sense. However, with Catalina, macOSX/Darwin seems to > now treat the Documents, Downloads, and Desktop directories a little > differently, at least with regard to whatever xterm is doing in starting > processes and setting permissions. Eterm does as well. rxvt does not. > Those are the only X-Window terminal applications I have tried. Apple > Terminal, and iTerm2 also do not have a problem. Any other directory in > the user’s home directory also do not have problems at all, no matter what > terminal program you use. Even xterm and Eterm start to behave normally if > you futz around with them. Doesn’t matter whether they are started as part > of the X11.app/XQuartz.app, or from a separate terminal session, like > Terminal. Doesn’t happen on Mojave or earlier MacOSX releases. > > These three directories are probably considered by Apple to be, for the > normal user, needing more security, and there may be an obscure bug that > xterm and others have triggered in Catalina. > > Apple has been making security related changes to the file structure since > moving to APFS as the boot disk file system. It would be interesting to > see if the behavior was different if the user’s home directory was located > on an HFS+-formatted volume, or an NFS/SMB/Appletalk volume. > > Since X11 on MacOSX is now pretty much a volunteer effort, it’s not clear > how much attention is being paid to something obscure like this, especially > if there are alternatives and workarounds. > > Jonathan > > > On Oct 24, 2019, at 6:43 PM, JF Mezei via X11-users < > x11-users@lists.apple.com> wrote: > > > > ps -a -f > > > > bike:~ $ ps -a -f -x | grep 9780 > > 501 9780 1 0 6:22PM ?? 0:00.28 /opt/X11/bin/xterm > > 501 9968 9780 0 6:22PM ttys0000:00.01 bash > > 501 10057 10029 0 6:31PM ttys0000:00.00 grep 9780 > > > > One would have to look at the xterm code which creates the process whose > > input and output are to itself (so it can display in the window). > > > > In this case, the xterm was created from the X11 GUI "Applications" > > menu optiosn wghere I have one to run xterm. But note that the parent > > process of the created xterm is 1 and not that of the X11 app. > > > > Another example: > > > >0 86493 86492 0 0:00.01 ttys0000:00.02 login -pf root > >0 86494 86493 0 0:00.01 ttys0000:00.01 -sh > >0 86503 86494 0 0:05.07 ttys0000:45.66 xterm -e login > >0 86504 86503 0 0:01.08 ttys0010:04.05 login > > 501 86526 86504 0 0:00.00 ttys0010:00.01 -bash > >0 86562 86526 0 0:00.00 ttys0010:00.00 ps -a -f -x > > > > > > In this example I am GUI logged in as root. Start a terminal.app window. > > Which causes the "login -pf root" command and the "sh" commands. > > I then issued a export DISPLAY="10.0.0.21:0.0" (not shown since not a > > process), and xterm-e login. > > > > Notice the login process is created as a root process. It spanws a > > supbrocess to run bash under my normal usename of 501. > > > > I am not sure about flag inheritance when the "login" happens to another > > process. But in the second example, the bash running under 501 is not a > > child of xterm, it is a child of login. while xterm is in the tree, it > > is under a different username and the bash process does not inherit any > > of root's powers. > > > > I know this doesn't answer things, but a better understanding of process > > inheritance of whatecer flag Apple uses to allow/disallow access to your > > onw files would point to what binary needs to be granted access. > > ___ > > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > > X11-users mailing list (X11-users@lists.apple.com) > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/x11-users/jprescott12%40icloud.com > > > > This email sent to jprescot...@icloud.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > X11-users mailing list (X11-users@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/x11-users/egan%40sense.net > > This email sent to e...@sense.net > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. X11-users mailing list (X11-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/x11-users/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
cmd-tilde is not alt-tilde post catalina
Hi all, I just "upgraded" to Catalina today. Post upgrade I cannot use cmd-~ (tilde) to bounce around the focus. alt-~ (tilde) works. Any other Mac app works with cmd-~. Muscle memory prefers cmd-~. Others see this? Thanks. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. X11-users mailing list (X11-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/x11-users/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
