Re: [X2Go-User] Semi-Offtopic: The sorry state of Landline and Mobile Internet in Germany
Am 8. Mai 2020 15:23:38 GMT-05:00 schrieb "Михайло Падалка" : >> >> The idea that everyone has or is likely to have 25mbit symmetrical >> Internet or better isn't true in "first world nations" forget about >> generally anywhere in the world. If we didn't care about limited >network >> performance, I can't see why everyone wouldn't just use VNC... The >> performance is just not there with "just stream video of the screen" >> technologies. >> > >Well, I can agree with that. But there is one problem: mainstream >doesn't >care. Websites are bloated, pictures, videos everywhere, tons of JS >etc. >Regarding X2Go - X11 is being obsolete, Wayland is not developed with >low-bandwidth remote access in mind, modern GUI toolkits make heavy use >of >bitmaps etc. >All that leaves not so much choice - transfer bitmaps, bitmaps and more >bitmaps. Compress them, cache, etc, but use bitmaps. > >// Offtopic: as we joke - Ukraine has good and very cheap internet just >because there is no Ministry of Internet here :) I heard that Saakashvili is going to take this position. -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Gerät mit K-9 Mail gesendet. ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] Semi-Offtopic: The sorry state of Landline and Mobile Internet in Germany
> > The idea that everyone has or is likely to have 25mbit symmetrical > Internet or better isn't true in "first world nations" forget about > generally anywhere in the world. If we didn't care about limited network > performance, I can't see why everyone wouldn't just use VNC... The > performance is just not there with "just stream video of the screen" > technologies. > Well, I can agree with that. But there is one problem: mainstream doesn't care. Websites are bloated, pictures, videos everywhere, tons of JS etc. Regarding X2Go - X11 is being obsolete, Wayland is not developed with low-bandwidth remote access in mind, modern GUI toolkits make heavy use of bitmaps etc. All that leaves not so much choice - transfer bitmaps, bitmaps and more bitmaps. Compress them, cache, etc, but use bitmaps. // Offtopic: as we joke - Ukraine has good and very cheap internet just because there is no Ministry of Internet here :) ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] META: Replying to List (was: Re: Semi-Offtopic: The sorry state of Landline and Mobile Internet in Germany)
I wish I didn't have to use OWA at work. Again it screws me up. I have noticed that Thunderbird will nicely say "reply to list", but that's getting harder to use as Microsoft keeps trying to kill IMAP. -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University From: x2go-user on behalf of Stefan Baur Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 2:53 PM To: x2go-user@lists.x2go.org Subject: [X2Go-User] META: Replying to List (was: Re: Semi-Offtopic: The sorry state of Landline and Mobile Internet in Germany) Am 08.05.20 um 17:04 schrieb James M. Pulver: > Trying again to send to list. I kind of wish default reply was reply to list, > I end up sending just to one user... This list is following the rules set out in RFC 2369, so it sets a List-ID header, which, in sane mail clients, causes a "Reply to List" option to become available when replying. This RFC is from 1998, so it's not like it has just been introduced yesterday and mail client software coders didn't have enough time to support this feature. Mangling the Reply-To header (which may have been set intentionally by the original sender) with list software is bad form. E.g. if you want to post to the list, but want to set the Reply-To to another list or to your E-Mail address, so replies don't hit the list, this would be overwritten, pointing at the list again. This is confusing both for a sender that doesn't expect it, and for recipients that expect their reply to reach your inbox instead of the list when intentionally selecting "reply" instead of "reply to list". We're using manually set Reply-To headers as a replacement for "Follow-Up-To" (a header only available on newsgroups), when crossposting announcements across multiple X2Go lists, but wish to channel the ensuing discussion to only one of the lists. So having the list server set to override this would be bad. And I think I also used it with a Reply-To set to my personal inbox for the X2Go: The Gathering registration E-Mails. At least it makes sense for these - people probably don't want to post their personal details to the list when they want to sign up for the event. TL;DR: Please complain to the manufacturer of your E-Mail client, or switch to a different E-Mail client, if it can't handle list replies the way it should. -Stefan -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
[X2Go-User] META: Replying to List (was: Re: Semi-Offtopic: The sorry state of Landline and Mobile Internet in Germany)
Am 08.05.20 um 17:04 schrieb James M. Pulver: > Trying again to send to list. I kind of wish default reply was reply to list, > I end up sending just to one user... This list is following the rules set out in RFC 2369, so it sets a List-ID header, which, in sane mail clients, causes a "Reply to List" option to become available when replying. This RFC is from 1998, so it's not like it has just been introduced yesterday and mail client software coders didn't have enough time to support this feature. Mangling the Reply-To header (which may have been set intentionally by the original sender) with list software is bad form. E.g. if you want to post to the list, but want to set the Reply-To to another list or to your E-Mail address, so replies don't hit the list, this would be overwritten, pointing at the list again. This is confusing both for a sender that doesn't expect it, and for recipients that expect their reply to reach your inbox instead of the list when intentionally selecting "reply" instead of "reply to list". We're using manually set Reply-To headers as a replacement for "Follow-Up-To" (a header only available on newsgroups), when crossposting announcements across multiple X2Go lists, but wish to channel the ensuing discussion to only one of the lists. So having the list server set to override this would be bad. And I think I also used it with a Reply-To set to my personal inbox for the X2Go: The Gathering registration E-Mails. At least it makes sense for these - people probably don't want to post their personal details to the list when they want to sign up for the event. TL;DR: Please complain to the manufacturer of your E-Mail client, or switch to a different E-Mail client, if it can't handle list replies the way it should. -Stefan -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] new x2go client for windows
After I deleted that file, it has yet to be recreated with the new client. I'll see if I can do more testing later today. Paul On Fri, May 8, 2020, 12:54 PM Ulrich Sibiller wrote: > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:20 PM Paul Borowicz wrote: > > > > None of that seems to help. I tired lxqt and xfce as well and all behave > the same. I found this file, does it help at all? > > Well, that file contains all errors happening during an X session. > There are a lot of qt related messages and some are missing a newer > GLX version. > > This is from a KDE session. Please retry with another session type and > post the (new created) .xession-errors-File. KDE/QT errors happen all > the time so they are not a clear indicator for problems However, > WHEN you see a xsession-errors-File this means the session must have > been up else clients could not create al those messages At the end > of the log I see some crashing application but I don't really see what > crashed... > > There also some BadWindow messages. which indicates weird things going > on. Have you checked the machine's memory? > > Uli > ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] new x2go client for windows
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:20 PM Paul Borowicz wrote: > > None of that seems to help. I tired lxqt and xfce as well and all behave the > same. I found this file, does it help at all? Well, that file contains all errors happening during an X session. There are a lot of qt related messages and some are missing a newer GLX version. This is from a KDE session. Please retry with another session type and post the (new created) .xession-errors-File. KDE/QT errors happen all the time so they are not a clear indicator for problems However, WHEN you see a xsession-errors-File this means the session must have been up else clients could not create al those messages At the end of the log I see some crashing application but I don't really see what crashed... There also some BadWindow messages. which indicates weird things going on. Have you checked the machine's memory? Uli ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] Semi-Offtopic: The sorry state of Landline and Mobile Internet in Germany
Also all the available bandwidth will be soaked up by Netflix, Prime, Disney+, ... Uli On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 5:05 PM James M. Pulver wrote: > > Trying again to send to list. I kind of wish default reply was reply to list, > I end up sending just to one user... > > And to talk about the US - it varies wildly. We're in the southerntier / > fingerlakes in NY and we can see anything from a fiber connection (that still > tops out at 250/25 for some insane reason) to LTE at around 8Mbits/.75mbit to > Cable that's all cable can be to DSL that's basically dial up because > Frontier is bankrupt and never upgraded anything since 2004 to satellite that > is who knows what, to people who have no internet options. > > The idea that everyone has or is likely to have 25mbit symmetrical Internet > or better isn't true in "first world nations" forget about generally anywhere > in the world. If we didn't care about limited network performance, I can't > see why everyone wouldn't just use VNC... The performance is just not there > with "just stream video of the screen" technologies. > > -- > James Pulver > CLASSE Computer Group > Cornell University > > > From: x2go-user on behalf of Stefan Baur > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:36 PM > To: x2go-user@lists.x2go.org > Subject: Re: [X2Go-User] Semi-Offtopic: The sorry state of Landline and > Mobile Internet in Germany > > Am 07.05.20 um 20:28 schrieb Stefan Baur: > > Downstream: 35.14 MBit/s max, 28.06 MBit/s average > > Upstream: 2625 MBit/s max, 2.426 MBit/s average > This one is, of course, missing the decimal. 2.625. Not 2625. Though > that would be lovely. > > -- > BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) > Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur > Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 > Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 > ___ > x2go-user mailing list > x2go-user@lists.x2go.org > https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user > ___ > x2go-user mailing list > x2go-user@lists.x2go.org > https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
Re: [X2Go-User] Semi-Offtopic: The sorry state of Landline and Mobile Internet in Germany
Trying again to send to list. I kind of wish default reply was reply to list, I end up sending just to one user... And to talk about the US - it varies wildly. We're in the southerntier / fingerlakes in NY and we can see anything from a fiber connection (that still tops out at 250/25 for some insane reason) to LTE at around 8Mbits/.75mbit to Cable that's all cable can be to DSL that's basically dial up because Frontier is bankrupt and never upgraded anything since 2004 to satellite that is who knows what, to people who have no internet options. The idea that everyone has or is likely to have 25mbit symmetrical Internet or better isn't true in "first world nations" forget about generally anywhere in the world. If we didn't care about limited network performance, I can't see why everyone wouldn't just use VNC... The performance is just not there with "just stream video of the screen" technologies. -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University From: x2go-user on behalf of Stefan Baur Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:36 PM To: x2go-user@lists.x2go.org Subject: Re: [X2Go-User] Semi-Offtopic: The sorry state of Landline and Mobile Internet in Germany Am 07.05.20 um 20:28 schrieb Stefan Baur: > Downstream: 35.14 MBit/s max, 28.06 MBit/s average > Upstream: 2625 MBit/s max, 2.426 MBit/s average This one is, of course, missing the decimal. 2.625. Not 2625. Though that would be lovely. -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Geschäftsführer: Stefan Baur Eichenäckerweg 10, 89081 Ulm | Registergericht Ulm, HRB 724364 Fon/Fax 0731 40 34 66-36/-35 | USt-IdNr.: DE268653243 ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user ___ x2go-user mailing list x2go-user@lists.x2go.org https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-user
