Re: [Xastir] Couple of Small Problems, Maybe?

[Curt Mills]

No, it's frowned upon to connect to multiple internet servers at once.
You'd switch the one you have defined over to one of the Firenet addresses
instead. Firenet and the APRS-IS servers are connected, so you should just
pick up MORE stuff with Firenet but not lose anything by connecting there
instead of APRS-IS.

Some stuff is only on Firenet. Like quakes down to magnitude 0.1, more of
the NWS weather alerts, stuff like that.


On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Halley Melinda  wrote:

> Hey, Curt,thanks for the replies. I have the I-gating set up as you
> suggested. We're using noam.aprs2.net as the server and the code that
> callpass generated when we used it.
> When you talk about the firenet server stuff, how would I use that? Do I
> set up another internet interface?
> Thanks again,Mickey
>
>
>   From: Curt Mills 
>  To: Halley Melinda ; Xastir - APRS client software
> discussion 
>  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:36 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Xastir] Couple of Small Problems, Maybe?
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Halley Melinda  wrote:
>
> Hey David,This is Mickey, Flip's wife. the xastir site has "TBD" on the
> section for Igating. Other than how to turn on igating, there's no help.
>
> The most up-to-date docs would be the text files with the code. The Wiki
> pages won't be as complete.
> For igating there are two places to tweak in Xastir:
> 1) File -> Configure Defaults -> IGate Options2) Interface -> Interface
> Control -> Add -> Internet Server -> Add -> Put in options there for the
> particular APRS-IS server you want to connect to.
> I'd recommend checking "Activate on Startup?" "Allow Transmitting", and
> "Reconnect on NET failure?". You'll need to put in Host, Port, and
> Pass-code there.
> Also note that you can click on the dashed-line on the drop-down windows
> to chop them off and make them stick around for a bit. You can then hit the
> 'X' in the corner to make them go away.
> Also on the "Interface" menu is "Disable Transmit: ALL". Do NOT check that.
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Re: [Xastir] FIXED No iGate, please help

[David Ranch]

- use good passwords (google that one, several articles available)
- keep the OS patched regularly. turn on automatic updates if patching isn't 
part of your routine. Yes, a bad patch _can_ cause trouble but unless you have 
the vigilance of a paranoid sysadmin you're far more likely to be burned by 
lack of a patch than a bad patch.

There are other things (turning off unused services,  change passwords 
regularly, use layered defenses, etc) but if you cover these 3 you're unlikely 
to be compromised in a typical environment.


I completely agree with Jason that there is a lot of little things that 
need to be done to secure a Raspberry Pi (or any other Linux box 
connected to the raw Internet).  In addition to all that, the Raspberry 
Pi platform poses unique challenges since it uses flimsy storage (SD 
card), prone to power issues, can be in a high RF environment, etc.  As 
such, I've been working on a Rpi hardening document document if anyone 
is interested:


   #Actually is RPi3 centric now
http://www.trinityos.com/HAM/CentosDigitalModes/RPi/rpi2-setup.html

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Re: [Xastir] Couple of Small Problems, Maybe?

[Curt Mills]

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Halley Melinda  wrote:

>
> (Where can these - NWS abbreviations - be found)
>

You'll have to hunt around the National Weather Service site to find them.
I had to do that for the Seattle area. That was many years ago so I don't
remember any details, sorry.


(where do you find the servers to feed the weather alerts???)
>

Considering that I'm one of the ones generating the APRS weather alerts, I
guess I can answer that! I'm snagging them from official feeds, generating
the APRS alerts, then injecting them into the Firenet servers.

Either of these two addresses should get you into a round-robin DNS set of
three Firenet servers. Gerry Creager and I run the Firenet servers:

  Firenet.aprs2.net
  Firenet.us

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Re: [Xastir] Couple of Small Problems, Maybe?

[Curt Mills]

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Halley Melinda  wrote:

> Hey David,This is Mickey, Flip's wife. the xastir site has "TBD" on the
> section for Igating. Other than how to turn on igating, there's no help.


The most up-to-date docs would be the text files with the code. The Wiki
pages won't be as complete.

For igating there are two places to tweak in Xastir:

1) File -> Configure Defaults -> IGate Options
2) Interface -> Interface Control -> Add -> Internet Server -> Add -> Put
in options there for the particular APRS-IS server you want to connect to.

I'd recommend checking "Activate on Startup?" "Allow Transmitting", and
"Reconnect on NET failure?". You'll need to put in Host, Port, and
Pass-code there.

Also note that you can click on the dashed-line on the drop-down windows to
chop them off and make them stick around for a bit. You can then hit the
'X' in the corner to make them go away.

Also on the "Interface" menu is "Disable Transmit: ALL". Do NOT check that.

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Re: [Xastir] Couple of Small Problems, Maybe?

[Halley Melinda]

Hey David,This is Mickey, Flip's wife. the xastir site has "TBD" on the section 
for Igating. Other than how to turn on igating, there's no help. We've both 
looked to see how to do this, but no luck. I am sighted, he is not - but he has 
screen readers to read the stuff out to him.
these are excerpts from the included
readme files of xastir
We are playing around with the idea of an IGate because there isn't one in our 
county.

From the readme.gettingstarted file:

Enabling Street Address Lookup:
---
Download the USA.geocode file and install it into the
/usr/local/share/xastir/GNIS/ directory.  This will enable the
"Map->Find Address" menu option to work.  Xastir will place a big
"X" on the map at the street address it finds for you.  This file is
sometimes available at http://www.dementia.org/geocoder/tgr2003/
As an alternative you can download the individual state files that
are located there.

==
From the readme file:

 (7) GATING WEATHER ALERTS, STATIONS, OBJECTS/ITEMS TO RF

  Gating NWS Weather Alerts to RF:
  
  If you wish to gate NWS weather alerts from the Internet onto RF, you'll
  need to create a text file in the users directory as 
  ~/.xastir/data/nws-stations.txt
  List each NWS station that you would like to transmit via RF. Wildcards
  are implied for lengths of 3 or greater. Here's what an example file
  looks like:

  - Cut Here -
  #
  # Seattle, WA
  SEANPW
  #
  # Portland, OR (any alert type)
  PDX
  #
  # Pendleton, OR
  PDTNPW
  #
  # Medford, OR
  MFRNPW
  #
  - Cut Here -

  All text should start at the beginning of the line.


(Where can these - NWS abbreviations - be found)
  Once that file is in place, you'll need to hook up to at least one
  Internet server that is feeding you the weather alerts. You'll also need
  to have at least one RF interface up and running with transmit enabled on
  that interface. Make sure that "Interfaces->Disable Transmit: All" is not
  selected.  You should now be gating NWS weather messages to RF.

  Turn on igate logging and look at that log file to view what you're
  sending out via RF. Don't forget to turn off logging or set up
  auto-rollover of the log files, else your hard drive might fill up with
  logging info. Auto-rollover of log files is typically accomplished via
  CRON.
(where do you find the servers to feed the weather alerts???)
==

  Gating Stations, Objects/Items to RF:
  -
  The latest code also allows gating packets from specific stations to RF
  using the above method (except object/item packets).  You can also gate
  objects/items to RF by name.  The same wildcarding rules apply as listed
  above.  Callsigns or object/item names listed in this file are
  case-insensitive, so they'll match any case in received packets.

  Bob Bruninga, WB4APR, recommends gating these calls to RF:
    
    SCOUTS, SATERN, KIDS, REDCROSS, FOUR-H, YOUTH, GUARD, MARS, JOTA

  See his link: "Generic Callsigns for National Events" off this web page
  for his current list of recommended callsigns:

    http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs.html



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[Chris Viningre]

Thanks Den for your help on the password problem. After 5 times i
figured the xstart thing.

Now I don't know how to start Xatir. The instructions say that it will
be under "Other" but I don't have that in my program list. I looked
through the whole list and don't see Xatir anywhere.

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Re: [Xastir] FIXED No iGate, please help

[Den]

Jason,

Can not say exactly how I ran into this issuefollowing your tutorial but 
I did and it was the second time it happened to me. The first 
configuring a WeeWX pi. This discussion started when Chris appeared to 
have the same issue on 2/16 and was asking how to fix the pi boot refusal.


I was trying to follow a couple of Xastir help files, not really keeping 
track until I rebooted and could not log in. The light went off and I 
knew what I did. This time I had the root password set up and could fix 
the issue.


My input would be to avoid sudo su in tutorials where newbies, like me, 
may 'shoot' themselves, unknowingly. I believe you can accomplish the 
same commands with sudo as you would without it after the sudo su.


No harm, no foul we are all just amateurs trying to have fun. 
Pleasure communicating with you..


Any suggestions on how to improve the Xastir mapping?

73
Den

On 2/16/2017 12:20 PM, Jason KG4WSV wrote:

I just did a quick read of http://tnc-x.com/TNCPi.pdf and while there is an 
apparently unneeded invocation of startx, there were no instructions to do it 
as root nor did I see  prior instructions that would have left you in a root 
shell.  Maybe I read too quickly or there are some out of date instructions 
floating around.


  I forgot instructions on how to change the root password after recommending 
everyone should - sorry about that.

To change the root password:

pi$ sudo passwd root
New password for root:
Retype new password:

Root can override anyone's password without knowing the old one. You can change 
the pi user's password the same way, or by the usual unprivileged method:

pi$ passwd
Old password:
New password:
Repeat new password:

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Re: [Xastir] FIXED No iGate, please help

[Jason KG4WSV]

> On Feb 16, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Den  wrote:
> 
> perhaps you could advise the new Pi user just how to protect themselves 
> definitely NOT a popular subject on the web

The problem is that security is at best inconvenient,  it isn't always trivial, 
and it's never ending. 

For a pi or any system on the 'net:

- change the default root (or other admin) and default user (e.g. pi) passwords

- use good passwords (google that one, several articles available)

- keep the OS patched regularly. turn on automatic updates if patching isn't 
part of your routine. Yes, a bad patch _can_ cause trouble but unless you have 
the vigilance of a paranoid sysadmin you're far more likely to be burned by 
lack of a patch than a bad patch. 

There are other things (turning off unused services,  change passwords 
regularly, use layered defenses, etc) but if you cover these 3 you're unlikely 
to be compromised in a typical environment. 

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Re: [Xastir] FIXED No iGate, please help

[Jason KG4WSV]

I just did a quick read of http://tnc-x.com/TNCPi.pdf and while there is an 
apparently unneeded invocation of startx, there were no instructions to do it 
as root nor did I see  prior instructions that would have left you in a root 
shell.  Maybe I read too quickly or there are some out of date instructions 
floating around.


 I forgot instructions on how to change the root password after recommending 
everyone should - sorry about that. 

To change the root password:

pi$ sudo passwd root
New password for root:
Retype new password:

Root can override anyone's password without knowing the old one. You can change 
the pi user's password the same way, or by the usual unprivileged method:

pi$ passwd 
Old password:
New password:
Repeat new password:

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Re: [Xastir] FIXED No iGate, please help

[Ken Koster]

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:44:36 AM PST Den wrote:
> Well, I stumbled on this anomaly and it looks like others have too where
> you can 'shoot yourself'. Get locked out and not be able to get back in.
> And so far, there is no recovery, except logging in as root. There are
> way too many shoddy tutorials on the web that lure users into pulling
> the trigger. "sudo su" then down the page "xstart" BAM

Yes,  far to many of those.
 
> I'd prefer to have more control over my guns rather than to have them go
> off unintentionally.

It's kind of like having a modern rifle and finding the instructions on the 
web for a muzzleloader.  Pour the powder in,  stuff down a bullet, pull the 
trigger and BAM.

> 
> Of course, change the Pi password and create a root password. Both
> should be strong. Don't think I advised differently? Actually am tired
> of helping people who did not take the simplest precautions right up front.
>
> KEN;
> 
> perhaps you could advise the new Pi user just how to protect
> themselves definitely NOT a popular subject on the web

I'm working on a couple of RPi/radio combos that need to be properly 
configured and I'll try to write up the details.  The problem is finding the 
ATU's to do it and staying focused...oh look 'Squirrel'...long enough.
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[Den]

Well, I stumbled on this anomaly and it looks like others have too where 
you can 'shoot yourself'. Get locked out and not be able to get back in. 
And so far, there is no recovery, except logging in as root. There are 
way too many shoddy tutorials on the web that lure users into pulling 
the trigger. "sudo su" then down the page "xstart" BAM


I'd prefer to have more control over my guns rather than to have them go 
off unintentionally.


Of course, change the Pi password and create a root password. Both 
should be strong. Don't think I advised differently? Actually am tired 
of helping people who did not take the simplest precautions right up front.


KEN;

perhaps you could advise the new Pi user just how to protect 
themselves definitely NOT a popular subject on the web


73
Den
On 2/16/2017 11:08 AM, Jason KG4WSV wrote:

On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:19 AM, Den  wrote:

I'll let you explore how to create a root password, which I recommend. 
Obviously those with more knowledge think we commoners, and the owner of the 
Pi, should not use.

Well, the problem was that you shot yourself in the foot by running something 
as root. Maybe they're onto something.

sudo is configured on by default for the pi user. Use of sudo instead of using 
a full root shell (su or sudo bash) or even worse logging in a root is 
considered best practice for security reasons. Using sudo allows minimal 
privilege escalation to accomplish a task and consequently minimizes risk.

If your pi is to be exposed to the internet, or maybe even on a home network, 
the passwords _should_ be changed for both the pi and root users. Default 
passwords are extremely insecure - there are days when I see over 10k brute 
force login attempts against a dozen or so systems, where attackers are looking 
for me and my users to rely on default or dumb passwords.

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Re: [Xastir] FIXED No iGate, please help

[Ken Koster]

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:08:31 AM PST Jason KG4WSV wrote:
> > On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:19 AM, Den  wrote:
> > 
> > I'll let you explore how to create a root password, which I recommend.
> > Obviously those with more knowledge think we commoners, and the owner of
> > the Pi, should not use.
> Well, the problem was that you shot yourself in the foot by running
> something as root. Maybe they're onto something.
> 
> sudo is configured on by default for the pi user. Use of sudo instead of
> using a full root shell (su or sudo bash) or even worse logging in a root
> is considered best practice for security reasons. Using sudo allows minimal
> privilege escalation to accomplish a task and consequently minimizes risk.
> 
> If your pi is to be exposed to the internet, or maybe even on a home
> network, the passwords _should_ be changed for both the pi and root users.
> Default passwords are extremely insecure - there are days when I see over
> 10k brute force login attempts against a dozen or so systems, where
> attackers are looking for me and my users to rely on default or dumb
> passwords.

And one additional item to add to Jasons excellent comment.

Never, never, never put a pi on the internet without either putting it behind 
a firewall or installing the appropriate firewall rules on the pi itself.

Out of the box there is NO protection other than your password and those are 
far to easy to crack.

Put it behind your home router, or better yet put it on it's own subnet, and 
enable a port forward if you must have Internet access.  And for good measure, 
pick some other port number instead of the standard ssh port that everyone 
attacks and have that on the Internet facing side. 

The shear number of attacks on standard ports is incredible and if you have a 
system or two directly on the Internet, like I do, you put into place all 
kinds of additional tools to combat the bad guys.

For most casual use putting your RPi behind your home firewall and perhaps 
forwarding a port or two works,  but be careful.  There are far too many 
compromised devices out there and it's getting worse.
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[Jason KG4WSV]

> On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:19 AM, Den  wrote:
> 
> I'll let you explore how to create a root password, which I recommend. 
> Obviously those with more knowledge think we commoners, and the owner of the 
> Pi, should not use.

Well, the problem was that you shot yourself in the foot by running something 
as root. Maybe they're onto something. 

sudo is configured on by default for the pi user. Use of sudo instead of using 
a full root shell (su or sudo bash) or even worse logging in a root is 
considered best practice for security reasons. Using sudo allows minimal 
privilege escalation to accomplish a task and consequently minimizes risk. 

If your pi is to be exposed to the internet, or maybe even on a home network, 
the passwords _should_ be changed for both the pi and root users. Default 
passwords are extremely insecure - there are days when I see over 10k brute 
force login attempts against a dozen or so systems, where attackers are looking 
for me and my users to rely on default or dumb passwords. 

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[Den]

I tried to answer Chris both privately and this list. had issues that 
the list did not like my formatting. Think eventually my reply made 
it... not sure though

73
den

I'm just playing with Raspian, but I'm not running Xastir on it, it was
W2DEN who was doing that. My current work is with Direwolf to make an igate
out of an Rpi.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Chris Viningre 
wrote:


Curt, What Distro are you using? I tried with the instructions that
came with the TNC-Pi running Raspbain Pixel and it keep locking up at
the password when it rebooted.
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On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Curt Mills  wrote:

Good deal!

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:08 AM, Den  wrote:


Just needed to add the Internet Server  Interface Control with my APRS
Passcode.

Who knew? Well now I do!

73
Den

On 2/15/2017 9:12 AM, Den wrote:


I have XASTIR running on a Pi 3 B with a TNC-Pi. All looks good. My
tracker shows up on the Xastir map as it should. The issue is Xastir

will

not iGate. It will digipeat but not iGate.

The Pi is WiFi to my local internet router which looks OK... I have

gone

over the settings multiple times with out success.
Using a different rig / computer etc. my tracker gets iGated without
issue. Switch to the Pi and no luck.

Call used is W2DEN. SSID -5 is my tracker, -7 the Pi Xastir (with a
successful digipeat) and -3 the other computer running APRSIS32 with

many

igates.
You can find me on aprs.fl.

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Re: [Xastir] FIXED No iGate, please help

[Curt Mills]

I'm just playing with Raspian, but I'm not running Xastir on it, it was
W2DEN who was doing that. My current work is with Direwolf to make an igate
out of an Rpi.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Chris Viningre 
wrote:

> Curt, What Distro are you using? I tried with the instructions that
> came with the TNC-Pi running Raspbain Pixel and it keep locking up at
> the password when it rebooted.
> Chris Viningre
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> C:(915) 504-1510
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>
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Curt Mills  wrote:
> > Good deal!
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:08 AM, Den  wrote:
> >
> >> Just needed to add the Internet Server  Interface Control with my APRS
> >> Passcode.
> >>
> >> Who knew? Well now I do!
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Den
> >>
> >> On 2/15/2017 9:12 AM, Den wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have XASTIR running on a Pi 3 B with a TNC-Pi. All looks good. My
> >>> tracker shows up on the Xastir map as it should. The issue is Xastir
> will
> >>> not iGate. It will digipeat but not iGate.
> >>>
> >>> The Pi is WiFi to my local internet router which looks OK... I have
> gone
> >>> over the settings multiple times with out success.
> >>> Using a different rig / computer etc. my tracker gets iGated without
> >>> issue. Switch to the Pi and no luck.
> >>>
> >>> Call used is W2DEN. SSID -5 is my tracker, -7 the Pi Xastir (with a
> >>> successful digipeat) and -3 the other computer running APRSIS32 with
> many
> >>> igates.
> >>> You can find me on aprs.fl.
> >>>
> >>> Any help would be appreciated.
> >>>
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