Re: [Xastir] Xastir on pi3 with kpc3 plus

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I like to see the maps, and where the stations are on them. Thats why I chose 
XASTIR

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From: David Ranch
Sent: June 27, 2017 10:58 PM
To: Xastir - APRS client software discussion
Subject: Re: [Xastir] Xastir on pi3 with kpc3 plus


Hello Lee,

Yes, APRX is a nice program but it's only a server.  No GUI, no maps, no 
mechanism to send messages/responses, etc.

As for Direwolf on the Rpi3.. the Rpi3 doesn't have a micrphone jack so 
you'll still need another sound device.  The $7 Syba USB devices are 
considered well supported.

Ps.  The new Direwolf 1.4 has added it's own AX.25 v2.2 (not just v2.1) 
stack.  When used with the AGW interface, it's a complete solution and 
you no longer need Ldsped!

--David
KI6ZHD


On 06/27/2017 04:04 PM, Lee Bengston wrote:
> APRX works well as an igate and/or digipeater, and it's very small thus
> putting a very light load on the Pi. I have an old model B, though, so your
> Pi3 may not care as much about that. I also run ldsped on the Pi so other
> APRS clients can access the radio/TNC.
>
> I have 2 prolific based usb to serial adapters. Both would eventually
> freeze up after continuous use on a 7x24 igate. Switching to an FTDI based
> adapter fixed that. Lastly I think the Pi3 has its own sound chip, so
> DireWolf may be a good solution for a TNC, and it also supports igating.
>
> Lee - K5DAT
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Re: [Xastir] Xastir on pi3 with kpc3 plus

[David Ranch]

Hello Lee,

Yes, APRX is a nice program but it's only a server.  No GUI, no maps, no 
mechanism to send messages/responses, etc.


As for Direwolf on the Rpi3.. the Rpi3 doesn't have a micrphone jack so 
you'll still need another sound device.  The $7 Syba USB devices are 
considered well supported.


Ps.  The new Direwolf 1.4 has added it's own AX.25 v2.2 (not just v2.1) 
stack.  When used with the AGW interface, it's a complete solution and 
you no longer need Ldsped!


--David
KI6ZHD


On 06/27/2017 04:04 PM, Lee Bengston wrote:

APRX works well as an igate and/or digipeater, and it's very small thus
putting a very light load on the Pi. I have an old model B, though, so your
Pi3 may not care as much about that. I also run ldsped on the Pi so other
APRS clients can access the radio/TNC.

I have 2 prolific based usb to serial adapters. Both would eventually
freeze up after continuous use on a 7x24 igate. Switching to an FTDI based
adapter fixed that. Lastly I think the Pi3 has its own sound chip, so
DireWolf may be a good solution for a TNC, and it also supports igating.

Lee - K5DAT
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Re: [Xastir] Xastir on pi3 with kpc3 plus

[Lee Bengston]

APRX works well as an igate and/or digipeater, and it's very small thus
putting a very light load on the Pi. I have an old model B, though, so your
Pi3 may not care as much about that. I also run ldsped on the Pi so other
APRS clients can access the radio/TNC.

I have 2 prolific based usb to serial adapters. Both would eventually
freeze up after continuous use on a 7x24 igate. Switching to an FTDI based
adapter fixed that. Lastly I think the Pi3 has its own sound chip, so
DireWolf may be a good solution for a TNC, and it also supports igating.

Lee - K5DAT
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Re: [Xastir] Propose a new Xastir release?

[Ken Koster]

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:38:24 AM PDT Ken Koster wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:12:55 AM PDT David Ranch wrote:
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > > If you're running Xastir on an RPi you will need to build from source
> > > since the version of Xastir installed by raspian is ancient and
> > > unfortunately was the version handed out to 100+ attendees of the RPi
> > > workshop at SeaPac a few weeks ago.
> > 
> > This is a common issue with stable applications that live out of their
> > SCM system and don't create official releases very often. Even with an
> > official release being published, most distro package managers are just
> > volunteers and they aren't always on top of when something new is
> > available.  Regardless, step one is to get a new Xastir version released
> > and then we can pursue with the Debian, Fedora, etc. package managers.
> > 
> > Do we think the current state of Xastir is worthy of an official release?
> 
> 2.0.8 stable was released last July and is in most distributions,  including
> Debian on which Rasbian is based.  

Replying to myself I take that last back.   I just checked OpenSUSE which is 
what I use 
and they're still back on 2.0.6,  even on the Tumbleweed rolling release.   So 
Debian is 
the only one I can confirm is good.

> Imagine my surprise at the workshop
> when I found a version so old that the Internet maps didn't even work.  At
> the time I said I would look into why it wasn't picked up for the RPi but
> just haven't taken the time yet.
> 
> As for a new release I think there are a couple of things in the latest that
> might make a release worthwhile but I'll let Curt speak up about that.
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Re: [Xastir] Propose a new Xastir release?

[Ken Koster]

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:12:55 AM PDT David Ranch wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> > If you're running Xastir on an RPi you will need to build from source
> > since the version of Xastir installed by raspian is ancient and
> > unfortunately was the version handed out to 100+ attendees of the RPi
> > workshop at SeaPac a few weeks ago.
> 
> This is a common issue with stable applications that live out of their
> SCM system and don't create official releases very often. Even with an
> official release being published, most distro package managers are just
> volunteers and they aren't always on top of when something new is
> available.  Regardless, step one is to get a new Xastir version released
> and then we can pursue with the Debian, Fedora, etc. package managers.
> 
> Do we think the current state of Xastir is worthy of an official release?

2.0.8 stable was released last July and is in most distributions,  including 
Debian on 
which Rasbian is based.   Imagine my surprise at the workshop when I found a 
version 
so old that the Internet maps didn't even work.  At the time I said I would 
look into why it 
wasn't picked up for the RPi but just haven't taken the time yet.  

As for a new release I think there are a couple of things in the latest that 
might make a 
release worthwhile but I'll let Curt speak up about that.
-- 
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[Xastir] Propose a new Xastir release?

[David Ranch]

Hello Everyone,

If you're running Xastir on an RPi you will need to build from source 
since the version of Xastir installed by raspian is ancient and 
unfortunately was the version handed out to 100+ attendees of the RPi 
workshop at SeaPac a few weeks ago.


This is a common issue with stable applications that live out of their 
SCM system and don't create official releases very often. Even with an 
official release being published, most distro package managers are just 
volunteers and they aren't always on top of when something new is 
available.  Regardless, step one is to get a new Xastir version released 
and then we can pursue with the Debian, Fedora, etc. package managers.


Do we think the current state of Xastir is worthy of an official release?

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Re: [Xastir] Map Fonts

[Ken Koster]

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 8:14:38 AM PDT Curt, WE7U wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jun 2017, Lee Bengston wrote:
> > The first thing I do is change the station text style to "Text on Black".
> > 
> > [Map - Configure - Station Text Style] via the menu. Changing the font
> > itself can be a little tricky, and may require additional fonts to be
> > installed.
> 
> I agree with the above. I run "text on black".
> 
> Took a quick run through xastir.org Wiki. Don't see anything about changing
> fonts in the HowTos, FAQ, or Tips & Tricks pages.
> 
> Guess we need to add a new one!
> 
> *) Install the "xfontsel" program. That's short for X Font Selector I
> believe.
> 
> *) Go to File -> Configure -> Fonts. You'll get a popup showing the
> different fonts. Make note of what's there just in case you want to get
> back. Maybe take a picture or a screenshot. You can also find these in the
> ~/.xastir/confif/xastir.cnf file. Here are mine:
> 
>   
> MAPS_LABEL_FONT_TINY:-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859
> -1
> MAPS_LABEL_FONT_SMALL:-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso885
> 9-1
> MAPS_LABEL_FONT_MEDIUM:-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859
> -1
> MAPS_LABEL_FONT_LARGE:-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--24-*-*-*-*-*-iso885
> 9-1
> MAPS_LABEL_FONT_HUGE:-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--24-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859
> -1
> MAPS_LABEL_FONT_BORDER:-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso88
> 59-1 SYSTEM_FIXED_FONT:fixed
>STATION_FONT:fixed
>ATV_ID_FONT:-*-helvetica-*-*-*-*-*-240-*-*-*-*-*-*
> 
> *) Click on the "Xfontsel" button on the right of one you want to change. An
> xfontsel window should appear with that font in it.
> 
> *) Change it at will to something you like.
> 
> *) Once you're happy, hit "select" in xfontsel2 and that font should get
> written back to the Xastir Fonts dialog.
> 
> *) Hit "OK" at the bottom of that dialog and it should get saved in Xastir.
> 
> Whether or not you have to restart Xastir to see it is another question (try
> it and find out, then report back).

Do everything Curt said plus make sure you're running a recent version of 
Xastir.  The 
handling of proportional fonts and font sizing was fixed about a year ago and 
as a result 
you will have more font choices. 

Personally I use droid sans, bold and medium.

If you're running Xastir on an RPi you will need to build from source since the 
version of 
Xastir installed by raspian is ancient and unfortunately was the version handed 
out to 
100+ attendees of the RPi workshop at SeaPac a few weeks ago. 
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Re: [Xastir] Map Fonts

[Curt, WE7U]

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, David A Aitcheson wrote:


FYI regarding the "xfontsel" program... on Ubuntu it is part of the
"x11-utils" package. Other OS's are likely to package things differently.

Additionally I agree with "Guess we need to add a new one!" ;-)


Will have it shortly:  HowTo:Change_Fonts

I made a few small mistakes in my original writeup. Fixing in the Wiki.

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Re: [Xastir] Map Fonts

[Jason KG4WSV]

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:22 AM, David A Aitcheson
 wrote:
> FYI regarding the "xfontsel" program... on Ubuntu it is part of the
> "x11-utils" package. Other OS's are likely to package things differently.

you beat me to it.  I was waiting for the pi to boot.  it's the same on the pi.

it's in xorg-x11-apps on CentOS 6.

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Re: [Xastir] Map Fonts

[David A Aitcheson]

FYI regarding the "xfontsel" program... on Ubuntu it is part of the
"x11-utils" package. Other OS's are likely to package things differently.

Additionally I agree with "Guess we need to add a new one!" ;-)

Dave - KB3EFS


On 06/27/2017 11:14 AM, Curt, WE7U wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jun 2017, Lee Bengston wrote:
>
>> The first thing I do is change the station text style to "Text on
>> Black".
>>
>> [Map - Configure - Station Text Style] via the menu. Changing the font
>> itself can be a little tricky, and may require additional fonts to be
>> installed.
>
> I agree with the above. I run "text on black".
>
> Took a quick run through xastir.org Wiki. Don't see anything about
> changing fonts in the HowTos, FAQ, or Tips & Tricks pages.
>
> Guess we need to add a new one!
>
> *) Install the "xfontsel" program. That's short for X Font Selector I
> believe.
>
> *) Go to File -> Configure -> Fonts. You'll get a popup showing the
> different fonts. Make note of what's there just in case you want to
> get back. Maybe take a picture or a screenshot. You can also find
> these in the ~/.xastir/confif/xastir.cnf file. Here are mine:
>
>  
> MAPS_LABEL_FONT_TINY:-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
>  
> MAPS_LABEL_FONT_SMALL:-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
>  
> MAPS_LABEL_FONT_MEDIUM:-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
>  
> MAPS_LABEL_FONT_LARGE:-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--24-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
>  
> MAPS_LABEL_FONT_HUGE:-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--24-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
>  
> MAPS_LABEL_FONT_BORDER:-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
>   SYSTEM_FIXED_FONT:fixed
>   STATION_FONT:fixed
>   ATV_ID_FONT:-*-helvetica-*-*-*-*-*-240-*-*-*-*-*-*
>
> *) Click on the "Xfontsel" button on the right of one you want to
> change. An xfontsel window should appear with that font in it.
>
> *) Change it at will to something you like.
>
> *) Once you're happy, hit "select" in xfontsel2 and that font should
> get written back to the Xastir Fonts dialog.
>
> *) Hit "OK" at the bottom of that dialog and it should get saved in
> Xastir.
>
> Whether or not you have to restart Xastir to see it is another
> question (try it and find out, then report back).
>

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Re: [Xastir] Map Fonts

[Curt, WE7U]

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017, Lee Bengston wrote:


The first thing I do is change the station text style to "Text on Black".

[Map - Configure - Station Text Style] via the menu. Changing the font
itself can be a little tricky, and may require additional fonts to be
installed.


I agree with the above. I run "text on black".

Took a quick run through xastir.org Wiki. Don't see anything about changing fonts 
in the HowTos, FAQ, or Tips & Tricks pages.

Guess we need to add a new one!

*) Install the "xfontsel" program. That's short for X Font Selector I believe.

*) Go to File -> Configure -> Fonts. You'll get a popup showing the different 
fonts. Make note of what's there just in case you want to get back. Maybe take a 
picture or a screenshot. You can also find these in the ~/.xastir/confif/xastir.cnf 
file. Here are mine:

  MAPS_LABEL_FONT_TINY:-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
  MAPS_LABEL_FONT_SMALL:-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
  MAPS_LABEL_FONT_MEDIUM:-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
  MAPS_LABEL_FONT_LARGE:-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--24-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
  MAPS_LABEL_FONT_HUGE:-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--24-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
  
MAPS_LABEL_FONT_BORDER:-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
  SYSTEM_FIXED_FONT:fixed
  STATION_FONT:fixed
  ATV_ID_FONT:-*-helvetica-*-*-*-*-*-240-*-*-*-*-*-*

*) Click on the "Xfontsel" button on the right of one you want to change. An 
xfontsel window should appear with that font in it.

*) Change it at will to something you like.

*) Once you're happy, hit "select" in xfontsel2 and that font should get 
written back to the Xastir Fonts dialog.

*) Hit "OK" at the bottom of that dialog and it should get saved in Xastir.

Whether or not you have to restart Xastir to see it is another question (try it 
and find out, then report back).

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