Re: [Xastir] GPS - part 2
I don't think that's the problem. cgps - s shows my position correctly. Maybe I'm expecting Xastir to do something that's not intended to do. Ok.. maybe check out my other document for an example Xastir config using gpsd: https://www.trinityos.com/HAM/CentosDigitalModes/hampacketizing-centos.html#19b4.xastir-running --David KI6ZHD ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] GPS - part 2
On 18/5/23 14:17, David Ranch wrote: Hello Phil, If you're sit struggling with gpsd and cgps, you might want to check out my cookbook notes on getting GPSd working / tested. Maybe it will catch something in your setup: I don't think that's the problem. cgps - s shows my position correctly. Maybe I'm expecting Xastir to do something that's not intended to do. -- Regards, Phil ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] GPS - part 2
Hello Phil, If you're sit struggling with gpsd and cgps, you might want to check out my cookbook notes on getting GPSd working / tested. Maybe it will catch something in your setup: https://www.trinityos.com/HAM/CentosDigitalModes/RPi/rpi4-setup.html#33b.usb-gps --David KI6ZHD On 05/17/2023 05:04 PM, Phil wrote: I just noticed that If I right click on my station's icon to view "station Info" then the position of my station is shown correctly. So I'm not sure why view -> gps status shows "fix:invalid". ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
On 18/5/23 11:26, Tom Russo wrote: A dialog box will open up automatically when you receive one. Ah, I see. Thank you Tom. -- Regards, Phil ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:22:12AM +1000, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the flavor, containing: > > On 18/5/23 11:00, MJ Inabnit wrote: looks > > > Yes, xastir receives message very well. > > Thank you Jay, > > Under the menu item "Messages" I can see how to send a message but not how > to receive one or how to be notified if I have received a message. A dialog box will open up automatically when you receive one. Audio alerts for incoming messages can be configured under File->Configure->Audio Alarms. Speech-related configuration for incoming messages and other events can be done under File->Configure->Speech. -- Tom RussoKM5VY Tijeras, NM echo "prpv_a'rfg_cnf_har_cvcr" | sed -e 's/_/ /g' | tr [a-m][n-z] [n-z][a-m] ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
Hi agn Phil, Name is Jaye, not Jay What's your call and what SSID are you using? I'll transmit a test message in your general direction. :) 73 Jaye On 5/17/23 6:22 PM, Phil wrote: > > On 18/5/23 11:00, MJ Inabnit wrote: looks > >> Yes, xastir receives message very well. > > Thank you Jay, > > Under the menu item "Messages" I can see how to send a message but not > how to receive one or how to be notified if I have received a message. > -- wishing you well Jaye, ke6sls--via the toshiba w/thunderchicken ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
On 18/5/23 11:00, MJ Inabnit wrote: looks Yes, xastir receives message very well. Thank you Jay, Under the menu item "Messages" I can see how to send a message but not how to receive one or how to be notified if I have received a message. -- Regards, Phil ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] GPS
On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 07:14:44PM -0500, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the flavor, containing: > Check your baud rate and make sure xastir and the gps matches. > > The standard for NMEA is 4800 but newer receivers may default to a higher > baud rate. > > If you can???t find what cgps is using for a baud rate, stop cgps and connect > with a terminal app (e.g. minicom, tio). Since you're using cgps, you must be using gpsd. And if gpsd is able to process the data properly so that cgps can display it, then baud rate probably isn't the issue. The question then is why Xastir's not showing the fix right. I can't account for why your GPS Status info shows "invalid fix" and your station info shows the correct position unless you had somehow already put the correct static position into your station configuration or positioned your station manually. How is your "networked gps (via gpsd)" interface configured? And again, what version of Xastir are you running? Did you build it yourself from source code or is it from your system's package management system? What GPS unit are you using? It may also be helpful to use debug level 128 and view what Xastir is saying about GPS data in the console. This requires that you launch Xastir from the command line and not from a desktop shortcut or menu, so that you can see those messages in the terminal window. If you launch from a desktop icon or menu, there is no terminal window in which they can be displayed and who knows where they might be found. The debug level can be changed using File->Configure->Change Debug Level. You're looking for what type of sentences Xastir is receiving. Xastir 2.1.8 and later will accept anything of the form $xxGGA and $xxRMC (where xx is anything at all), but prior to that only accepted $GPGGA and $GPRMC sentences. I should note that the bug I mentioned earlier regarding Xastir not recognizing fixes from units that report other than GPS satellite fixes was detected precisely because someone was using gpsd and Xastir was refusing to recognize positions from the attached GPS. It was reported as a problem of Xastir not working with gpsd, but after a while we tracked it down to specifics of how that user's "GPS" unit was outputting NMEA sentences --- it was outputting $GNGGA and $GNRMC (GNSS sententences), but Xastir had been hard coded to expect only $GPGGA and $GPRMC. It would ignore *everything* else. That user found that Xastir was always reporting invalid fix, even though gpsd and all its various display clients seemed to be perfectly happy. This issue (https://github.com/Xastir/Xastir/issues/53) was fixed in 2019 and is present in Xastir 2.1.2 and later, and there were further refinements after that (to support $II sentences, https://github.com/Xastir/Xastir/issues/121). But you'd have to be running at least that recent a version --- so I ask again, which version are you running, is it one you compiled yourself from source code or one that you installed from a package management system? The fix for $II sentences (Integrated Instruments devices) didn't get done properly until after release 2.1.8. If your GPS is sending *those* then you've got to have the development branch code, not a release version. > > On May 17, 2023, at 6:35 PM, Phil wrote: > > > > ???I've rigged up a GPS receiver but Xastir is showing an invalid position. > > > > The red arrow at the bottom of the screen is blinking at a one second rate, > > the same rate as the GPS receiver indicator, and the data rate is correct. > > cgps -s displays my current location correctly. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Phil > > > > ___ > > Xastir mailing list > > Xastir@lists.xastir.org > > http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir > ___ > Xastir mailing list > Xastir@lists.xastir.org > http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir -- Tom RussoKM5VY Tijeras, NM echo "prpv_a'rfg_cnf_har_cvcr" | sed -e 's/_/ /g' | tr [a-m][n-z] [n-z][a-m] ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
Hi Phil, I run the Humboldt APRS net every Monday. I receive dozens of check-ins each week. Yes, xastir receives message very well. I even added a sound file that notifies me on each arrival with an R2D2 beep beep! :) 73 Jaye On 5/17/23 4:04 PM, Phil wrote: > > On 17/5/23 21:27, st...@coastaldatasystems.com wrote: >> There is also the point that the mobile station may be, well, mobile. I'm >> not going to be trying to type a reply to a station when I'm doing >> 60-70 mph >> down the road. > > What I really wanted to know if it's possible to receive a message via > Xastir; I don't think so. > -- wishing you well Jaye, ke6sls--via the toshiba w/thunderchicken ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] GPS
Check your baud rate and make sure xastir and the gps matches. The standard for NMEA is 4800 but newer receivers may default to a higher baud rate. If you can’t find what cgps is using for a baud rate, stop cgps and connect with a terminal app (e.g. minicom, tio). -Jason > On May 17, 2023, at 6:35 PM, Phil wrote: > > I've rigged up a GPS receiver but Xastir is showing an invalid position. > > The red arrow at the bottom of the screen is blinking at a one second rate, > the same rate as the GPS receiver indicator, and the data rate is correct. > cgps -s displays my current location correctly. > > Any ideas? > > -- > Regards, > Phil > > ___ > Xastir mailing list > Xastir@lists.xastir.org > http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
It is definitely possible to send and receive messages with xastir. If it isn’t working for you then you have some troubleshooting ahead of you. -Jason > On May 17, 2023, at 6:05 PM, Phil wrote: > > >> On 17/5/23 21:27, st...@coastaldatasystems.com wrote: >> There is also the point that the mobile station may be, well, mobile. I'm >> not going to be trying to type a reply to a station when I'm doing 60-70 mph >> down the road. > > What I really wanted to know if it's possible to receive a message via > Xastir; I don't think so. > > -- > > Regards, > Phil > > ___ > Xastir mailing list > Xastir@lists.xastir.org > http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
[Xastir] GPS - part 2
I just noticed that If I right click on my station's icon to view "station Info" then the position of my station is shown correctly. So I'm not sure why view -> gps status shows "fix:invalid". -- Regards, Phil ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] GPS
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 09:35:31AM +1000, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the flavor, containing: > I've rigged up a GPS receiver but Xastir is showing an invalid position. > > The red arrow at the bottom of the screen is blinking at a one second rate, > the same rate as the GPS receiver indicator, and the data rate is correct.?? > cgps -s displays my current location correctly. > > Any ideas? What type of interface? gpsd? Serial? What sort of GPS? What version of Xastir? There was a bug a while ago that wouldn't recognize some GPS sentences that weren't actually GPS (i.e. glonass, beidou, etc.). That bug was fixed years ago, but if you're running a packaged Xastir from some linux distro it could be old enough to still have that problem. No not enough information to tell what's going wrong. -- Tom RussoKM5VY Tijeras, NM echo "prpv_a'rfg_cnf_har_cvcr" | sed -e 's/_/ /g' | tr [a-m][n-z] [n-z][a-m] ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
[Xastir] GPS
I've rigged up a GPS receiver but Xastir is showing an invalid position. The red arrow at the bottom of the screen is blinking at a one second rate, the same rate as the GPS receiver indicator, and the data rate is correct. cgps -s displays my current location correctly. Any ideas? -- Regards, Phil ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 04:17:09PM -0700, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the flavor, containing: > > Yes, it's possible. Yes, it's absolutely possible to receive messages in Xastir, and I had overlooked one question in the original post that I should have responded to much earlier: how will I know if a station does respond? The answer to *that* question is that Xastir will pop up a dialog box with the message in it. Kinda hard to miss. You can also configure Xastir to announce to you that it has received a message. One way can make it simply play a sound alerting you, and another is to use Festival to speak that there's a new message, and even read it to you. But all that requires that you be communicating with a station that can actually receive your messages and which is operated by an operator who wants to reply. You can tell if a station is actually receiving and accepting your messages from the dialog box that opens when you try to send the message. If the message has been acknowledged then the text of your outgoing message changes from reverse video to normal, and Xastir stops transmitting. If the station isn't even sending back ACKs then your outgoing message stays reverse video and keeps retransmitting (on a slowly decaying interval until it times out). Just because the station ACKed the message doesn't mean the operator saw it, though, only that the message was accepted by the software. And as has been pointed out, many mobile operators won't reply while mobile even if their station is able to. It's worse than texting while driving, usually, as the interfaces to most mobile APRS messaging is about as awful as the early flipphone texting interfaces. > On 05/17/2023 04:04 PM, Phil wrote: > > > > On 17/5/23 21:27, st...@coastaldatasystems.com wrote: > > > There is also the point that the mobile station may be, well, > > > mobile. I'm > > > not going to be trying to type a reply to a station when I'm doing > > > 60-70 mph > > > down the road. > > > > What I really wanted to know if it's possible to receive a message via > > Xastir; I don't think so. -- Tom RussoKM5VY Tijeras, NM echo "prpv_a'rfg_cnf_har_cvcr" | sed -e 's/_/ /g' | tr [a-m][n-z] [n-z][a-m] ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
Yes, it's possible. --David KI6ZHD On 05/17/2023 04:04 PM, Phil wrote: On 17/5/23 21:27, st...@coastaldatasystems.com wrote: There is also the point that the mobile station may be, well, mobile. I'm not going to be trying to type a reply to a station when I'm doing 60-70 mph down the road. What I really wanted to know if it's possible to receive a message via Xastir; I don't think so. ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
On 17/5/23 21:27, st...@coastaldatasystems.com wrote: There is also the point that the mobile station may be, well, mobile. I'm not going to be trying to type a reply to a station when I'm doing 60-70 mph down the road. What I really wanted to know if it's possible to receive a message via Xastir; I don't think so. -- Regards, Phil ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
There is also the point that the mobile station may be, well, mobile. I'm not going to be trying to type a reply to a station when I'm doing 60-70 mph down the road. Steve West-Fisher N4IK -Original Message- From: Xastir On Behalf Of Tom Russo Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 8:02 PM To: Xastir - APRS client software discussion Subject: Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages An inordinate fraction of mobile stations are basically configured as trackers that don't even display received messages. Odds are good that you're trying to communicate with one of those. APRS messaging is one of the great underused and underappreciated capabilities. The vast majority of users have come to treat APRS as nothing more than a vehicle tracking system (worse yet, as a one-way position transmitting system with the only receivers of value being the internet gateways and web-based APRS viewers). In my experience, even those who are running mobile stations that *can* receive messages tend to ignore them (many D700 and D710 users even ignore so many messages their message buffer is full and their stations just return the code that says the message is rejected). Does XASTIR show that your messages are being ACKed by the target station? As for your query about why your station doesn't show up in the mobile stations list, I can't really answer that definitively. I tried digging through the code quickly to understand how the different lists are populated, but I can't spot how it actually distinguishes between mobile and otherwise --- I'm pretty sure that it figures that out based on whether the station is transmitting course and speed. Does your mobile station have a GPS attached? -- Tom RussoKM5VY Tijeras, NM echo "prpv_a'rfg_cnf_har_cvcr" | sed -e 's/_/ /g' | tr [a-m][n-z] [n-z][a-m] ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
