Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
On 18/5/23 11:26, Tom Russo wrote: A dialog box will open up automatically when you receive one. Ah, I see. Thank you Tom. -- Regards, Phil ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:22:12AM +1000, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the flavor, containing: > > On 18/5/23 11:00, MJ Inabnit wrote: looks > > > Yes, xastir receives message very well. > > Thank you Jay, > > Under the menu item "Messages" I can see how to send a message but not how > to receive one or how to be notified if I have received a message. A dialog box will open up automatically when you receive one. Audio alerts for incoming messages can be configured under File->Configure->Audio Alarms. Speech-related configuration for incoming messages and other events can be done under File->Configure->Speech. -- Tom RussoKM5VY Tijeras, NM echo "prpv_a'rfg_cnf_har_cvcr" | sed -e 's/_/ /g' | tr [a-m][n-z] [n-z][a-m] ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
Hi agn Phil, Name is Jaye, not Jay What's your call and what SSID are you using? I'll transmit a test message in your general direction. :) 73 Jaye On 5/17/23 6:22 PM, Phil wrote: > > On 18/5/23 11:00, MJ Inabnit wrote: looks > >> Yes, xastir receives message very well. > > Thank you Jay, > > Under the menu item "Messages" I can see how to send a message but not > how to receive one or how to be notified if I have received a message. > -- wishing you well Jaye, ke6sls--via the toshiba w/thunderchicken ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
On 18/5/23 11:00, MJ Inabnit wrote: looks Yes, xastir receives message very well. Thank you Jay, Under the menu item "Messages" I can see how to send a message but not how to receive one or how to be notified if I have received a message. -- Regards, Phil ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
Hi Phil, I run the Humboldt APRS net every Monday. I receive dozens of check-ins each week. Yes, xastir receives message very well. I even added a sound file that notifies me on each arrival with an R2D2 beep beep! :) 73 Jaye On 5/17/23 4:04 PM, Phil wrote: > > On 17/5/23 21:27, st...@coastaldatasystems.com wrote: >> There is also the point that the mobile station may be, well, mobile. I'm >> not going to be trying to type a reply to a station when I'm doing >> 60-70 mph >> down the road. > > What I really wanted to know if it's possible to receive a message via > Xastir; I don't think so. > -- wishing you well Jaye, ke6sls--via the toshiba w/thunderchicken ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
It is definitely possible to send and receive messages with xastir. If it isn’t working for you then you have some troubleshooting ahead of you. -Jason > On May 17, 2023, at 6:05 PM, Phil wrote: > > >> On 17/5/23 21:27, st...@coastaldatasystems.com wrote: >> There is also the point that the mobile station may be, well, mobile. I'm >> not going to be trying to type a reply to a station when I'm doing 60-70 mph >> down the road. > > What I really wanted to know if it's possible to receive a message via > Xastir; I don't think so. > > -- > > Regards, > Phil > > ___ > Xastir mailing list > Xastir@lists.xastir.org > http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 04:17:09PM -0700, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the flavor, containing: > > Yes, it's possible. Yes, it's absolutely possible to receive messages in Xastir, and I had overlooked one question in the original post that I should have responded to much earlier: how will I know if a station does respond? The answer to *that* question is that Xastir will pop up a dialog box with the message in it. Kinda hard to miss. You can also configure Xastir to announce to you that it has received a message. One way can make it simply play a sound alerting you, and another is to use Festival to speak that there's a new message, and even read it to you. But all that requires that you be communicating with a station that can actually receive your messages and which is operated by an operator who wants to reply. You can tell if a station is actually receiving and accepting your messages from the dialog box that opens when you try to send the message. If the message has been acknowledged then the text of your outgoing message changes from reverse video to normal, and Xastir stops transmitting. If the station isn't even sending back ACKs then your outgoing message stays reverse video and keeps retransmitting (on a slowly decaying interval until it times out). Just because the station ACKed the message doesn't mean the operator saw it, though, only that the message was accepted by the software. And as has been pointed out, many mobile operators won't reply while mobile even if their station is able to. It's worse than texting while driving, usually, as the interfaces to most mobile APRS messaging is about as awful as the early flipphone texting interfaces. > On 05/17/2023 04:04 PM, Phil wrote: > > > > On 17/5/23 21:27, st...@coastaldatasystems.com wrote: > > > There is also the point that the mobile station may be, well, > > > mobile. I'm > > > not going to be trying to type a reply to a station when I'm doing > > > 60-70 mph > > > down the road. > > > > What I really wanted to know if it's possible to receive a message via > > Xastir; I don't think so. -- Tom RussoKM5VY Tijeras, NM echo "prpv_a'rfg_cnf_har_cvcr" | sed -e 's/_/ /g' | tr [a-m][n-z] [n-z][a-m] ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
Yes, it's possible. --David KI6ZHD On 05/17/2023 04:04 PM, Phil wrote: On 17/5/23 21:27, st...@coastaldatasystems.com wrote: There is also the point that the mobile station may be, well, mobile. I'm not going to be trying to type a reply to a station when I'm doing 60-70 mph down the road. What I really wanted to know if it's possible to receive a message via Xastir; I don't think so. ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
On 17/5/23 21:27, st...@coastaldatasystems.com wrote: There is also the point that the mobile station may be, well, mobile. I'm not going to be trying to type a reply to a station when I'm doing 60-70 mph down the road. What I really wanted to know if it's possible to receive a message via Xastir; I don't think so. -- Regards, Phil ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
There is also the point that the mobile station may be, well, mobile. I'm not going to be trying to type a reply to a station when I'm doing 60-70 mph down the road. Steve West-Fisher N4IK -Original Message- From: Xastir On Behalf Of Tom Russo Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 8:02 PM To: Xastir - APRS client software discussion Subject: Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages An inordinate fraction of mobile stations are basically configured as trackers that don't even display received messages. Odds are good that you're trying to communicate with one of those. APRS messaging is one of the great underused and underappreciated capabilities. The vast majority of users have come to treat APRS as nothing more than a vehicle tracking system (worse yet, as a one-way position transmitting system with the only receivers of value being the internet gateways and web-based APRS viewers). In my experience, even those who are running mobile stations that *can* receive messages tend to ignore them (many D700 and D710 users even ignore so many messages their message buffer is full and their stations just return the code that says the message is rejected). Does XASTIR show that your messages are being ACKed by the target station? As for your query about why your station doesn't show up in the mobile stations list, I can't really answer that definitively. I tried digging through the code quickly to understand how the different lists are populated, but I can't spot how it actually distinguishes between mobile and otherwise --- I'm pretty sure that it figures that out based on whether the station is transmitting course and speed. Does your mobile station have a GPS attached? -- Tom RussoKM5VY Tijeras, NM echo "prpv_a'rfg_cnf_har_cvcr" | sed -e 's/_/ /g' | tr [a-m][n-z] [n-z][a-m] ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
On 17/5/23 10:14, Tom Russo wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 06:02:08PM -0600, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the flavor, containing: Dug a little more, and XASTIR considers a station "mobile" if it has any track points stored. If your station is configured as a mobile but isn't actually moving, that might not trigger whatever it is XASTIR is doing to decide whether to store a track point or not. Thank you Tom for taking the time to look into this. I don't have a GPS receiver connected to my station (I cannot transmit while I'm moving anyway) and I thought that since I'm not detected as moving that may determine where my station is listed. -- Regards, Phil ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 06:02:08PM -0600, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the flavor, containing: > On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 09:42:11AM +1000, we recorded a bogon-computron > collision of the flavor, containing: > > > > Also, my station shows up in the "all stations" list but not in the "mobile > > stations" list. Under "Configure Defaults" I've selected "Mobile Station > > w/local time". > > As for your query about why your station doesn't show up in the mobile > stations > list, I can't really answer that definitively. I tried digging through the > code quickly to understand how the different lists are populated, but I can't > spot how it actually distinguishes between mobile and otherwise --- I'm > pretty > sure that it figures that out based on whether the station is transmitting > course and speed. Does your mobile station have a GPS attached? Dug a little more, and XASTIR considers a station "mobile" if it has any track points stored. If your station is configured as a mobile but isn't actually moving, that might not trigger whatever it is XASTIR is doing to decide whether to store a track point or not. -- Tom RussoKM5VY Tijeras, NM echo "prpv_a'rfg_cnf_har_cvcr" | sed -e 's/_/ /g' | tr [a-m][n-z] [n-z][a-m] ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] Receiving messages
On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 09:42:11AM +1000, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the flavor, containing: > I'm currently in an area with an APRS repeater and so I've been motivated to > have a play with Xastir again. > > During the past few days I've tracked some mobile stations with a call sign > that is known to me. Using Xastir, I've sent these stations a message but > I've never received a reply. The probable reason for no response it that the > station is unaware that I've sent them a message which brings me to my > question; how will I know if a station does respond? > > Also, my station shows up in the "all stations" list but not in the "mobile > stations" list. Under "Configure Defaults" I've selected "Mobile Station > w/local time". An inordinate fraction of mobile stations are basically configured as trackers that don't even display received messages. Odds are good that you're trying to communicate with one of those. APRS messaging is one of the great underused and underappreciated capabilities. The vast majority of users have come to treat APRS as nothing more than a vehicle tracking system (worse yet, as a one-way position transmitting system with the only receivers of value being the internet gateways and web-based APRS viewers). In my experience, even those who are running mobile stations that *can* receive messages tend to ignore them (many D700 and D710 users even ignore so many messages their message buffer is full and their stations just return the code that says the message is rejected). Does XASTIR show that your messages are being ACKed by the target station? As for your query about why your station doesn't show up in the mobile stations list, I can't really answer that definitively. I tried digging through the code quickly to understand how the different lists are populated, but I can't spot how it actually distinguishes between mobile and otherwise --- I'm pretty sure that it figures that out based on whether the station is transmitting course and speed. Does your mobile station have a GPS attached? -- Tom RussoKM5VY Tijeras, NM echo "prpv_a'rfg_cnf_har_cvcr" | sed -e 's/_/ /g' | tr [a-m][n-z] [n-z][a-m] ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
[Xastir] Receiving messages
I'm currently in an area with an APRS repeater and so I've been motivated to have a play with Xastir again. During the past few days I've tracked some mobile stations with a call sign that is known to me. Using Xastir, I've sent these stations a message but I've never received a reply. The probable reason for no response it that the station is unaware that I've sent them a message which brings me to my question; how will I know if a station does respond? Also, my station shows up in the "all stations" list but not in the "mobile stations" list. Under "Configure Defaults" I've selected "Mobile Station w/local time". -- Regards, Phil ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://xastir.org/mailman/listinfo/xastir
